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To: Iscool; metmom
" But which Ignatius wrote that???"

There are 13 letters of which 7 are undisputed. Those are:

- Ephesus
- Magensia
- Tralles
- Rome
- Philadelphia
- Smyrna
- Personal letter to Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna

The quote I provided is from his letter to Smyrna, one of the uncontested letters.

Now that we are on the subject of forgeries can you tell me who wrote St. Paul's Letters to the Colossians, the Ephesians, the Hebrews, the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Pastoral Epistles. Does it really matter if they write the truth whose ultimate author is the Holy Spirit??

(If you do your own homework you will benefit from it)

Peace be with you.

247 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:21 PM PDT by Natural Law ("AMOR VINCIT OMNIA")
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To: Natural Law
Now that we are on the subject of forgeries can you tell me who wrote St. Paul's Letters to the Colossians, the Ephesians, the Hebrews, the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Pastoral Epistles. Does it really matter if they write the truth whose ultimate author is the Holy Spirit??

Note that in Hebrews there is no attribution of authorship. And the reason some offer for a non-Pauline authorship of a letter like Colossians is that it presents a Christology believed too advanced in its development to have been produced by Paul at that particular time in the evolution of Christian theology. Of course, at one time form critics thought they had made the definitive case for Pentateuch authorship.
248 posted on 05/21/2012 2:55:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Natural Law
There are 13 letters of which 7 are undisputed. Those are: -

Ephesus - Magensia - Tralles - Rome - Philadelphia - Smyrna - Personal letter to Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna

Not so accurate... Many scholars dispute ALL of the writings attributed to Ignatius...

The quote I provided is from his letter to Smyrna, one of the uncontested letters.

Again, not so accurate...The known forgeries are pretty much copies of the original seven with lots of Catholic language added...

Now that we are on the subject of forgeries can you tell me who wrote St. Paul's Letters to the Colossians, the Ephesians, the Hebrews, the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Pastoral Epistles.

Does it really matter if they write the truth whose ultimate author is the Holy Spirit?? (If you do your own homework you will benefit from it)

I hope you are not suggesting that the Holy Spirit inspired Ignatius and his Catholic forger to write what they wrote, AND for your religion to promulgate the lie even up to now...

257 posted on 05/21/2012 4:25:45 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Natural Law; Iscool
Now that we are on the subject of forgeries can you tell me who wrote St. Paul's Letters to the Colossians, the Ephesians, the Hebrews, the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Pastoral Epistles. Does it really matter if they write the truth whose ultimate author is the Holy Spirit??

Do you guys never tire of asking the SAME questions over and over? If you want to know who wrote those epistles, here's a thought...read them!

Colossians 1:1-2
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:1-2
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

II Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

I Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope

II Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus

Do I need to go on??? Do you actually believe that the "Pastoral" epistles and the other letters written by the hand of Paul, Peter, James, John, etc. would have been accepted AS Scripture if nobody knew who wrote them? Seriously? If anyone cares to learn about the New Testament and the evidence we have for its total reliability, please go to this link: http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html

264 posted on 05/21/2012 6:22:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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