[Mr. Lucky]

And yet the Protestant reformers were mere choirboys compared to the Borgia and Medici clans they were protesting. Perhaps you should leave 16th Century disputes in the 16th Century and deal with the problems facing the 21st Century Church.

[johngrace]

I am not really into comparing but when I see that people made Martin Luther into something he is not. Also people qoute him when talking about that he was so "pure" is astonishing.

Also I have watched and read white washed stories on him. That this myth is still around is amazing. Also it is relevant since he started this lie of invincibly saved onced always nonsense.

Hitler loved to qoute Martin Luther.

[Cronos]

Sorry, john, but your post was incorrect. I don't like Luther for theological reasons and for his personal flaws, but the other stuff about him is hyperbole

Especially the anti-semitic piece.

he was not an anti-semite in the racial sense -- he wanted to convert the Jews and initially thought he would be able to convince them (egotism was one of his flaws), but then got embittered when he failed. If a person converted, he didn't hate that guy for being born a Jew.

The Nazis took Luther's diatribes and made them into a racial statement

Luther had a towering intellect, but also towering flaws -- he was very Germanic in the sense of capable of deep piety and also pig-headedness

I see no point in talking about 16th century men's flaws to deals with matters of today

firstly, this article is not about clergy but seems to be about foreign diplomats -- ignore the sensational title