Posted on 06/07/2012 4:06:14 PM PDT by Salvation
Backatcha.
When things get interesting, return to the rock, look to the light.
“That is when the apostasy took place.”
According to whom? You?
“The schism between Judaism that accepts Christ as Savior and the beginnings of a manmade religion that evolved into Catholicism.”
So, when did Catholicism begin?
“The Catholic Church is not a remnant of what Jesus and the Disciples taught.”
Well, I was on your side of this deal. But there’s simply no historical justification for your position. The Church is the Church, you see her in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, centuries.
The real problem, is that the johnny-come-lately’s are throwing out 15 centuries of history.
I'm not sure what that means. The Church as it was when Christ walked the earth was a church in each town. No statues. No people wearing crucifixes. Each, their own separate entity. When the bishop of Rome became a position of power and money, THAT is when the Catholic Church began. When Jesus was here what was the first commandment given to each disciple? Was it "Don't marry"? Is it recorded He told them or anyone NOT to marry? Was His first recorded miracle at a wedding? I'm saying the Church today should be like the Church Jesus taught at. You don't have it.
They missed out on all the fun like inquisitions, indulgence fund raisers and stuff like that. "All Israel shall be saved".
“I’m not sure what that means.”
It means I was a protestant and am now Catholic.
“The Church as it was when Christ walked the earth was a church in each town.”
Euhm, no. The Church while Christ was on this Earth existed only in Jerusalem. It wasn’t until after his Ascension, that it spread outwards, from Pentecost onwards. Right there in Acts.
“No statues. No people wearing crucifixes.”
Have you gone to the Catacombs? :)
“Each, their own separate entity.”
No, sorry, that is a fiction. Why were the Apostles writing to many different churches if each church was it’s own? Did the Apostles have authority over them?
“When the bishop of Rome became a position of power and money, THAT is when the Catholic Church began.”
Which was when?
“When Jesus was here what was the first commandment given to each disciple?”
Love the Lord your God.
What was the last instruction he left Peter, “Feed my sheep”. He goes on to state, “I am the good shepherd, who lays his life down for the flock.”
Does it sound like each church is it’s own, or is Peter responsible for all of them?
“Is it recorded He told them or anyone NOT to marry?”
Jesus explicitly teaches, in Matthew 19 that if you marry, you marry for live, and that if you aren’t willing to do that, then you shouldn’t get married at all.
As he says, “The one who can accept it should accept it.”
Matthew 19 11-12
“Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others
—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.”
“The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Which is why the Inquisition began in the first century. I see.
All of the examples you mention are actions of HUMANS within the Church, and not anything to do with actual DOCTRINE.
Historically, I believe the Catholic Church burned fewer folks than other religious groups for not living up to someone's idea of the Faith. I don't know of any ENTIRE peoples put to the sword at the behest of the Catholic Church; can you name any?
The Catholic Church, as an organization has not protected rapists; some Bishops were trying to avoid scandal, or were mistakenly being 'pastoral' to their priests, and didn't turn the men over to the police, which should have been done immediately. And again, historically, those cases represent less than 2% of all priests who have been in service in this country, though even ONE is too many.
As for the money in the Vatican Bank, I can't speak to that, and I don't trust the media reports until the furor has died down, and we get more light than heat in the stories. The Vatican will always have money, though, because it supports many spiritual and intellectual activities all over the world. As for the politics of 'nation-states', to what do you refer? I don't know that the Vatican has had ANY influence, politically, in recent years, other than that of the individual Popes.
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