From those who planned it, to those who carried it out under the awful duplicity which they did, to those who covered it up, to those who attempted to take those children as their own. (That was not an act of compassion in the sense that they somehow saved those children out of love for them) They did it out of fear of their own beliefs, even given the unbelievable contradiction their murders already reigned down on them. They took those children to make them their own and it too was atrocious...all the way up to a trial for a single person for the murders who was hung when there should have been scores of defendents.
Anyone who took part in the killing and its planning should have been on trial. That too was atrocious.
There was no intentional dumbing down of the truth in my statement, Colo...you are just so invested in your commitment to attack anything LDS and believe the worse that you demand that every iota be spelled out by anyone LDS discussing it, even though it was 155 years ago.
For me, with Mountain Meadows that is fine. It all was an ugly, deplorable atrocity.
Just as any of those who took part in the planning or the killing and raping of LDS people at Hahns Mill, MO, Far West, MO, or in and around Navuoo, IL in the 1840s should have been brought to trial and executed for their crimes, not to mention the pilfering and theft of all of their homes, property, improvements, etc....but never were.
All of those terrible acts on both sides were travesties and atrocious and have no place in this nation or amongst any group of people who claim discipleship following Jesus Christ. Such actions, irregardless of which side of that coin, are clearly the anti-thesis of "Christian."
The mormon church and its members have spent 180 years revisiting "those terrible acts on both sides (that) were travesties and atrocious and have no place in this nation" and cowering behind the "victim" label in an attempt to gain sympathy....and members.
Anytime the sins and failures of various mormons are brought to light, from financial scams to child molestation, there is ALWAYS the old theme song, "But we mormons are SO persecuted" used as a defense of the sins and crimes.
The second post on this thread whines about mormon "persecution"
Jeff made THIS comment in Post #17 on this thread. "God rest the souls of those settlers who were killed and bless and comfort their descendants.
And God bless and rest those LDS people who were massacred and killed in Missouri and Illinois 15-20 years earlier when the LDS were brutally persecuted and pushed out into the Intermountain West to the Great Basin." which IMO is a blatant, major distortion of the actual history of early mormonism, after previously saying in the same post, "As I have stated to you and others before me I will not sit back and countenance such a willful, and blatant distortion.
Flying Inmans will recall that a departed FReeper made a huge outcry about the "persecution" of a mormon missionary in having a cup of water splashed on her.
IMO, "persecution" consists of 52,000 mormon missionaries knocking on the doors of Christians and making the claim to them that their faith is bogus and the only way to obtain salvation is through mormon temple rituals. That is violating the property of others in order to lie to them.
Just as any of those who took part in the planning or the killing and raping of LDS people at Hahns Mill, MO, Far West, MO, or in and around Navuoo, IL in the 1840s should have been brought to trial and executed for their crimes, not to mention the pilfering and theft of all of their homes, property, improvements, etc....but never were.
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Jeffie I’m sure you will supply us with sources for your claims...
Just as any of those who took part in the planning or the killing and raping of LDS people at Hahns Mill, MO, Far West, MO, or in and around Navuoo, IL in the 1840s should have been brought to trial and executed for their crimes, not to mention the pilfering and theft of all of their homes, property, improvements, etc....but never were.
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Jeffie I’m sure you will supply us with sources for your claims...
Meanwhile whats the massacre at Mountain Meadows of UNARMED men women, children and babes-in-arms got to do with anything else ???