Most Christians Have No Idea What Mormons Believe [LDS truth claims oft' tucked away by Mormons]

Christian Newswire ^ | June 7, 2012

[NELSON111]

Jews don ‘t believe Jesus is God. Gonna try scaring people about them too?

Assume you don't believe in the Holy Scriptures. For if you did...you would never make such a statement. Jesus Christ is revealed clearly in the OT and NT as the propitiation for the sins of man. What is also revealed is "He who denies the Son, the same does NOT have the Father." (1 John 2:23) and "He that honors NOT the Son honors NOT the Father" (John 5:23). "Whosoever transgresses and does NOT abide in the doctrine of Christ has NOT God. He that abides in the Doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 1:9)

So...if you believe in scripture...it really doesn't seem like a man that is "scaring" people about the necessity of Christ...but GOD HIMSELF.

If you believe NOT in the scripture...then we have no starting point for a discussion and this is all moot.

[Tennessee Nana]

And we’re not electing a national pastor.
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Nor are we electing a national mormon “prophet”

Though mormons like to kid themselves we are...

[Tennessee Nana]

Elsie (Tommy Monson)We are NOT electing a pastor/pope, but a PRESIDENT!!

D-f: Does your post mean you think we are electing a national pastor?
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No

mormons dont have a pastor or a pope...

They did their best to get right away from anything Christian...

But they do have a PRESIDENT of the mormons AKA “prophet”

So their “president” Tommy M cant wait to be “president” of America...

err cant wait for mormon bishop and high priest Willard Romney to be co-president...

or something...

Its enough excitement to make the old codger wet his magic Depends...

Oh Joey...

praise to da man..

Oh Briggie...

hail to Brigham Young..

[Tennessee Nana]

I will pray for you
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Pray in tongues if ya gonna pray...

Your attitude is stinky and not Christian...

None of your witchcraft holier than thou stuff over Colo...

[D-fendr]

Thanks for your reply.

You probably know the possible LDS repies to ‘ye shall be as gods.’ And the possible answers of orthodox Christians on ‘partaking of the divine nature,’ theosis, etc, etc.

I’ve debated with LDS on this forum, and found a range theology. I didn’t encounter any with god complexes - well, nothing to compare with Obama anyway. :)

I think it unfair to attribute all things said and done by LDS to any individual LDS, just as it would be unfair to attribute all things said and done by Christians to any individual Christian.

As far as a ministry of service, I think LDS are as capable of this as Christian - theology aside.

I believe LDS are obviously heretical to orthodox Christianity. However, I believe there are quite a few Christians who are as well. I would not rule either group out for political office based on these beliefs along. Nor would I rule out a Jew or Buddhist or Unitarian or, heaven forbid, a Dispensationalist or Calvinst. :)

Your views differ, this is obviously a very big deal to you. It’s just not to me.

thanks for your reply.

[D-fendr]

Are you a former-LDS?

[liberalh8ter]

Take a moment and look at your posts. If there's a tongue here with a problem, it's yours. Better yet, print your posts out and take them to Church. Share them with your congregation. I'm betting you're a different person there than you are here and these posts would surprise those who pray beside you.

[svcw]

THX 1138

[Tennessee Nana]

AH kid I think youre probably the same everywhere you go...

Meanwhile cease the praying wirchcraft over the Christians in these threads...

As I said ..

Pray in tongues...

If you dont know what tongues are howe on Earth were you planning to pray ???

[Colofornian]

You probably know the possible LDS repies to ‘ye shall be as gods.’ And the possible answers of orthodox Christians on ‘partaking of the divine nature,’ theosis, etc, etc.

Well...a HUGE difference 'tween "theosis" and Lds theology is that "theosis" -- as you can see by the New American Standard version of 2 Pet. 1:4 (The NAS tends to be more literal than other versions)...is future:
4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you MAY BECOME partakers of the divine nature...

Whatever that all entails, it's future. That can't be said re: what Lds "prohets" like Kimball have said -- that Lds men are "gods in embryo" already.

I didn’t encounter any with god complexes - well, nothing to compare with Obama anyway. :)

(Only 15-20% of Lds have temple recommends -- and half of them are women...so the "I am a 'god-in-embryo' crowd doesn't even take root except about 10% of Lds -- males w/temple recommends)

I think it unfair to attribute all things said and done by LDS to any individual LDS, just as it would be unfair to attribute all things said and done by Christians to any individual Christian.

HUGE difference 'tween opinions of leaders vs. "thus saith the Lord" revelations. In this way, Christians are beholden to the Bible; Lds are beholden to three other books + their "living 'prophet'" & "apostles." Mormon authority & Mormon authoritarianism is pretty strong; in Christianity, "all authority" has been given to Jesus Christ (Matt. 28:19; Heb. 1:1-2) & with most segments of Christianity, you don't find comparable levels of authoritarianism.

I’ve debated with LDS on this forum, and found a range theology...I believe LDS are obviously heretical to orthodox Christianity. However, I believe there are quite a few Christians who are as well. I would not rule either group out for political office based on these beliefs along. Nor would I rule out a Jew or Buddhist or Unitarian or, heaven forbid, a Dispensationalist or Calvinst. :)

If you were to look again @ my post to you, the heart of it wasn't just analytical or theoretical "study of God" (theology)...But an actual RELATIONSHIP WITH the TRUE GOD...Here, allow me to cite that portion again:

Me, last post: The Biblical record shows that true successful leadership in public office is done by those who fear the TRUE Lord -- not by some low-level Mormon god who is part of a great number of Mormon gods...one who worships a false god & has no true relationship w/the living God is stifling access to God's resources; & a nation may suffer for that.

I would say the odds are "quite good" that a dispensationalist and Calvinist would know the "true God" -- and that a Jew may know the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

That stands in stark contrast to a Mormon, Buddhist, or Unitarian who -- while they may know of some things about the True God -- don't know Him, aren't in a living relationship with Him, and winds up even beseeching foreign gods for "resources" in crisis situations.

To Jesus, knowing the True God was no small deal: 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3) and:
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Bottom-line:
The world can offer what the world can do;
humanist potential gods can do what humanists can do.
Yet even a weak man who knows THE True God, and calls upon Him? That's where a country can receive what THE God can do via that kind of leadership.

[liberalh8ter]

Well, lemme tell ya 'howe' we does it down here....we get on bended knee, we bring our hands together, we close our eyes real tight and we concentrate, REAL HARD....... and we say the lord's prayer. Then, we ask him to forgive people like you for they know not what they do. We also ask God to stop you from using the AH word in the future. It's just not becoming of a Christian woman.

That's how we do it.

[D-fendr]

Thanks for your reply. Lots of theology that I can disagree with there. :) But I’ll focus on one.

If the heart of your objection is ‘relationship with the *true* God’, then:

Would you agree that the true God for (orthodox Christians) is the Triune God, the Most Holy Trinity?

If so, do you likewise have a problem with politicians who might be Unitarians, Oneness Pentecostals or Jews?

thanks for your courteous reply.

[Colofornian]

Would you agree that the true God for (orthodox Christians) is the Triune God, the Most Holy Trinity?

Let's take Jews first:

Would you agree that the Old Testament Jews anticipated relating in a very special way to Messiah? Would you agree that even Jewish authorities have assigned a distinctive identity to the "Angel of the Lord" -- who has also been "id'd" as the pre-incarnate Christ?

And are there plenty of Holy Spirit-references in the Old Testament?

My point here is that Old Testament people of God did not have all mysteries about THE God revealed to them; yet that did not pre-empt them from being in a special covenant relationship with Him...and in ways more than what many present-day Jews want to now confine that God of the Old Testament to...

As I said in my last post, a Jew can know the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That God IS the TRUE God. Mitt Romney's low-level god who was once a man, a sinner, who died...IS NOT ANY entity worth praying to from the White House; nor calling upon aid & counsel & power...'cause he has NONE to offer!

Keep in mind, also, that just as Obama could easily be a CINO...likewise, a Jewish POTUS candidate could be a JINO.

Have to run...will answer the rest later... If so, do you likewise have a problem with politicians who might be Unitarians, Oneness Pentecostals or Jews?

[greyfoxx39]

I find your posts quite amusing given your choice of screen name, LOL...living up to the last part seems to be working well for you.

To the FIs on the thread...does the term "retread" enter your mind?

[Tennessee Nana]

1/2 da beast

[D-fendr]

As I said in my last post, a Jew can know the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That God IS the TRUE God.

I think most (orthodox again) Christians would say that someone who denies or does not know Jesus as God therefore does not know the same true God as they. It is primarily what makes Christians Christian.

Additionally, referring back another of your objections, Jews are 'not beholden to the [same] Bible'.

that Old Testament people of God did not have all mysteries about THE God revealed to them

We're talking about Jews today in light of your objection to those who do not have a 'relationship with the true God' being rejected for political office. I believe that is you position anyway.

Thanks much for your courteous reply.

[liberalh8ter]

A. I gave nothing compared to what I was given. But then, I shouldn't expect you to be impartial now, should I?

B. I'm no 'retread'. While I haven't been here long, I generally stick to politics but was curious, given all the comments I've seen from others about the nastiness that ensues on these Mormon hating threads. I came, I saw, I got disgusted.

[SENTINEL]

God forbid we elect a baal worshiping CULT LEADER for president. Obama IS JUST A SINNER BY COMPARISON. I’ll be writing in George Washington myself.

[Tennessee Nana]

AH

Well kid now I see wjhat your problem is ...

all that stuff you listed in #331..

God is not an errand boy...

He is not your servant...

You dont whistle at Him and say “C’mon here boy” as though He’s a page boy...

and then keep Him waiting (at attention no doubt) till you get all spiritual and in the mood...

If I had ever done that to God, I imagine He would have yawned and gone off home before I got finished with the “concentrate, REAL HARD....... “

When I pray for a need for others they need a fast answer...

God hears fast from Heaven,
returns the answer fast ...

You want a fast answer you better have a fast way of asking and believing...

You’ll die of cancer your way...

Now its when you dont want something but to love on God that you take your time...

You can be lying in bed,
driving your car
changing the baby
digging in your garden

if you ever just raise your voice and/or hands toward Heaven and praise Him and thank Him for just being who He is and not demanding anything..

and live a life of that...

You wont have to get into contortions everytime you WANT something from God who you dont seem to know that well...

BTW its my neighbors of 20 years you need to be asking...

I think Christians from the church just might already have read your comments...

My neighbors will tell you Im bold as a lion asd I sing praises to God in my backyard, my vegetables and roses raising their little heads and hands to God and growing wonderfully...

My friends at church will tell you Im just the same as I am here...

and you can blame my fearless Bible believing pastor..hed like that :)

[Osage Orange]

I generally stick to politics but was curious, given all the comments I've seen from others about the nastiness that ensues on these Mormon hating threads

So, you are just another bigot then.

Fair enough.........