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Iím a Mormon, Not a Christian [Mega hit piece on Christians]
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2012 | David V. Mason

Posted on 06/13/2012 7:46:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

................... Mormons seem to be everywhere.

I want to be on record about this. I’m about as genuine a Mormon as you’ll find — a templegoer with a Utah pedigree and an administrative position in a congregation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am also emphatically not a Christian.

-SNIP-

In addition, these Christians had to defend their use of additional scripture and their unconventional conception of God and explain why they were following a bumpkin carpenter from some obscure backwater. Early Christianity’s relationship with non-Jews was even worse. Roman writers frequently alluded to rumors about the cannibalistic and hedonistic elements of early Christian rites. One after the other, Christians went to the lions because they found it impossible to defend themselves against such outrageous accusations. They did eat flesh and drink blood every Sunday, after all.

Eventually, Christianity grew up and conceded that it wasn’t authentic Judaism. Lo and behold, once it had given up its claim to Judaism, it became a state religion — cannibalism notwithstanding — and spent the next 1,700 years getting back at all the bullies who had slighted it when it was a child.

-SNIP-

Whatever happens in November, I hope Mormonism eventually realizes that it doesn’t need Christianity’s approval and will get big and beat up all the imperious Christians who tormented it when it was small, weird and painfully self-conscious. Mormons are certainly Christian enough to know how to spitefully abuse their power.


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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antichristian; catholic; hissyfit; lds; mormon; romney
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NYT doing its part in taking Mitt's mormonism up front in the election...

I'm buying popcorn in bulk for the coming major media exposure of mormonism's arcane doctrine and beliefs.

The author is mistaken in his claim that the dispute is about Jesus. In fact, the dispute is about the claim that God was once a man and man may become a god if he only follows Joseph Smith's dictates.

1 posted on 06/13/2012 7:46:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Everytime I read the first few sentences then have to check to make sure it’s not semi-satire.


2 posted on 06/13/2012 7:48:51 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: greyfoxx39

NYT: Hey, let’s find a liberal (pretend) Mormon to write column attacking Mormonism, Romney and Christians all at the same time.


3 posted on 06/13/2012 7:52:47 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Terry Mross
Everytime I read the first few sentences then have to check to make sure it’s not semi-satire.

I know what you mean. I feel like I woke up in the Matrix or Wonderland sometimes.

4 posted on 06/13/2012 7:53:06 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Weird article


5 posted on 06/13/2012 7:54:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: nhwingut

Well good, I hope so. The more attacks on Mormonism the better. I hope the people in the country do find out about that cult lunacy. I for one welcome it.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 7:56:00 AM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: greyfoxx39

The part I find most ironic about this article is this....

Most/many mainline Churches are NON Christian, most/all of NY Times readers that attend Churches are NON Christian, so I do not quite get the point.

A good test might be this...have you asked Jesus into your life, have you thanked him for dying on the Cross for your sins, might be a good starting point.

If you vote Democrat, you spit on Christ, you are saying killing 60 million plus of God`s children is just fine, you are saying that the Word of God (Christ) should be banned from the classroom/public square, and you are condoning and teaching young children (the ones that are not being aborted) that a homo life style is OK, even though GOD HAS SPOKEN VERY CLEARLY ON ALL THESE ISSUES.

a vote for democrat is to spit on Christ!


7 posted on 06/13/2012 7:56:49 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: greyfoxx39
They see how liberal romney is and is fluffing him up. They see he is no different than obama socially.
8 posted on 06/13/2012 7:59:00 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: greyfoxx39

I know a lot of Mormons. As a group they include some of the finest people I have ever met. I’ll take a Mormon like Romney over a stupid gang banger wannabee dope smoking cocaine user like Obama any day.

Here are the creators of South Park having fun with Mormons. Pretty funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lCYqn2jcs


9 posted on 06/13/2012 8:02:11 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: greyfoxx39; All
Mormons complain ALL THE TIME that their beliefs are "misrepresented" -- yet when a Mormon prominently misrepresents what Christians believe, it's ho-hum time, eh, Mormons?

How did this Mormon misrepresent Christians in the NY Times? Well...consider this statement: Christians respond that because Mormons don’t believe — in accordance with the Nicene Creed promulgated in the fourth century — that Jesus is also the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Jesus that Mormons have in mind is someone else altogether.

Jesus isn't also the Father and the Holy Spirit...Christianity has long repudiated this...which is called modalism (which, btw, was in early Mormonism--especially some of the Book of Mormon passages).

Now, Oneness Pentecostals are modalists...and believe this...but this wasn't taught in the Nicene Creed...

Christians believe 3 Persons; but so intimately connected they are one God. One Nature.

Even at the human level, a close-knit man and wife are "one" and "no longer two" -- says Jesus (Matthew 19). A family can be many, yet one family.

If a family and a couple can be more "one" beyond purpose and identity, then the very God who created family and instituted marriage can be recognized as a Component One!

10 posted on 06/13/2012 8:02:42 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ah, there it is. Rather than attack the LDS church directly the Slimes tries to play it shrewd by attempting to separate Romney from the Christian vote. I wonder of the Slimes will play this up 60 days in a row like they did as they invented stories about Abu Ghraib. Look for “horror stories” about Scientology-like. Clearly, the libs are showing their level of worry about Obama’s prospects in November.

It appears the DNC has issued the order to launch the attacks. Dangerous gambit, given Obama’s own “religious” background, though.


11 posted on 06/13/2012 8:04:28 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ah, there it is. Rather than attack the LDS church directly the Slimes tries to play it shrewd by attempting to separate Romney from the Christian vote. I wonder of the Slimes will play this up 60 days in a row like they did as they invented stories about Abu Ghraib. Look for “horror stories” about Scientology-like practices. Clearly, the libs are showing their level of worry about Obama’s prospects in November.

It appears the DNC has issued the order to launch the attacks. Dangerous gambit, given Obama’s own “religious” background, though.


12 posted on 06/13/2012 8:04:53 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: greyfoxx39

You have to admire the author’s honesty in admitting that Mormonism is non-Christian.

However, Mormonism is inherently changeable in a way that Judaism and Christianity are not. From a Christian point of view, we should be hoping that Mormons move, individually or collectively, toward Christianity.


13 posted on 06/13/2012 8:05:24 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Colofornian

Full Stop.

The New York Times doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Mormonism. This is about creating a conflict between Christians and Mormons so enough Evangelicals stay home on Election Day to keep Chicago Jesus in the White House.

Don’t get played.

Best,

Chris


14 posted on 06/13/2012 8:05:52 AM PDT by section9
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To: greyfoxx39
First I am going to going to say this is mormonism unveiled.

Then I am getting my bowl to share the popcorn, maybe a lemon aid to go with.

When will the FR mormons jump on the defend this person and his tirade against God Almighty, try and tell us "this is not the norm and while stamping their foot yell "I am too a Christian".

15 posted on 06/13/2012 8:07:26 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39

The NYT is doing its normal incompetent job of trying to stir things up.

I know many Mormans. All are far, far, FAR above the Obamadork in terms of morality and intelligence.

The writer of this article is about as Mormon as Obama is a Christian.

Nice try, NYT.

Now, shove your paper up your smelly Obama and prepare for your upcoming unemployment.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 8:07:52 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Friendofgeorge
"Most/many mainline Churches are NON Christian, most/all of NY Times readers that attend Churches are NON Christian, so I do not quite get the point."

I don't think that's the case. Most mainline churches believe the gospel. They agree on the nature of God and the nature of salvation. They place their trust in Jesus for forgiveness of their sins.

I think you've become too cynical about mainstream Christianity based on the crap that the MSM focuses on.

When you look at the size of the denominations that have embraced homosexuality, you find that they are small and since their abandonment of the scriptures they have shrunk dramatically.

17 posted on 06/13/2012 8:09:27 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: isthisnickcool
Here are the creators of South Park having fun with Mormons. Pretty funny stuff

Would've been nice of the South Park producers hadn't been cowed by muslims as they were about to have fun with Mohammed. That would've been some funny stuff, too, but they didn't have the courage.

18 posted on 06/13/2012 8:10:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: section9
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Chris ...

You're perfectly right ... the NYT is setting the stage for a MASSIVE pre-election defection from the GOP ...

by Evangelical Christians ...

in order to get Obama re-elected ...



One doesn't have to be Rommell or Petraus to figure that out ...


That's WHY "all" conservatives need to STOP Myth's "presumed" GOP 2012 Nomination ...

Period.

Or else ... America is doomed ...



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19 posted on 06/13/2012 8:13:21 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: nhwingut
let’s find an liberal honest (pretend) Mormon to write a column attacking exposing Mormonism
20 posted on 06/13/2012 8:13:56 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39
I am also emphatically not a Christian.

Probably the only accurate statement in the whole article.

If Jesus "a bumpkin carpenter from some obscure backwater" and show such contempt and derision for Him, they WHY do they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Why not just disown Him completely and admit that they follow Smith as their savior?

21 posted on 06/13/2012 8:15:07 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: greyfoxx39
Whatever happens in November, I hope Mormonism eventually realizes that it doesn’t need Christianity’s approval

Sounds like the Devil comforting the wicked.

(Also, a typical godless lib answer to anyone who practices a perversion of some sort..... "I hope --place name or group here----- eventually realizes that it doesn’t need Christianity’s approval )

22 posted on 06/13/2012 8:15:48 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: greyfoxx39
I’m with Harry Emerson Fosdick... who wrote that he would be “ashamed to live in this generation and not be a heretic.” Being a Christian so often involves such boorish and meanspirited behavior that I marvel that any of my Mormon colleagues are so eager to join the fold.

He has a point there....
23 posted on 06/13/2012 8:19:50 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: Colofornian
Christians believe 3 Persons; but so intimately connected they are one God. One Nature.

Three is three, and not one.

Otherwise, whom was Jesus talking to, when he prayed? If there was total intimacy as you describe, each one's omniscience would have negated Jesus needing to pray to God.

Sir, — I have to thank you for your pamphlets on the subject of Unitarianism, and to express my gratification with your efforts for the revival of primitive Christianity in your quarter. No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity; and was among the efficacious doctrines which gave it triumph over the polytheism of the ancients, sickened with the absurdities of their own theology. Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the fanatic Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs. And a strong proof of the solidity of the primitive faith, is its restoration, as soon as a nation arises which vindicates to itself the freedom of religious opinion, and its external divorce from the civil authority. The pure and simple unity of the Creator of the universe, is now all but ascendant in the Eastern States; it is dawning in the West, and advancing towards the South; and I confidently expect that the present generation will see Unitarianism become the general religion of the United States. The Eastern presses are giving us many excellent pieces on the subject, and Priestley's learned writings on it are, or should be, in every hand. In fact, the Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.

I write with freedom, because while I claim a right to believe in one God, if so my reason tells me, I yield as freely to others that of believing in three. Both religions, I find, make honest men, and that is the only point society has any right to look to. Although this mutual freedom should produce mutual indulgence, yet I wish not to be brought in question before the public on this or any other subject, and I pray you to consider me as writing under that trust. I take no part in controversies, religious or political. At the age of eighty, tranquility is the greatest good of life, and the strongest of our desires that of dying in the good will of all mankind. And with the assurance of all my good will to Unitarian and Trinitarian, to Whig and Tory, accept for yourself that of my entire respect.

- Jefferson's letter to Rev. James Smith, December 8, 1822.

24 posted on 06/13/2012 8:22:46 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Da Coyote

The man has a TR, he would be in the 15% or so of the most loyal mormons.
Romney and Reid also have TRs.
Before you defend mormonism, you might want to learn about it, starting with rereading the post.


25 posted on 06/13/2012 8:22:52 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Most/many mainline Churches are NON Christian, most/all of NY Times readers that attend Churches are NON Christian, so I do not quite get the point.

Nice job of cherry picking there. "Mainline" doesn't include the growing numbers of Evangelical Christians.

"By the end of the 20th century there were nearly 100 million Americans who identified themselves as "Evangelical Christians," according to a Gallup Poll in 1995."

Conservapedia

Pew statistics Pictures, Images and Photos

26 posted on 06/13/2012 8:23:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

1. NYT agenda is clear.

2. Notwithstanding No. 1, Mormons are not Christians. They are nice people misled by a fraud who wanted power, sex, and money and so made up a religion.


27 posted on 06/13/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: nhwingut
NYT: Hey, let’s find a liberal (pretend) Mormon to write column attacking Mormonism, Romney and Christians all at the same time.

Exactly. Because the New York Slimes will surely find some fool from the "We Hate Mormons Club" to repost it far and wide.

After all, one fool masquerading as a Mormon is more credible than the actual conservative voting behavior and highly functional Mormon majority communities scattered across the Rocky Mountain states. < / sarcasm >

28 posted on 06/13/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: James C. Bennett
Three is three, and not one.

I see you flunked basic multiplication.

If you took 1, 1, 1, you think the answer is always a formula "3", eh?

Well, what is 1 x 1 x 1?

29 posted on 06/13/2012 8:26:57 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The National Geographic Channel is running this “American Outliers” series about religious minorities (the Amish, the Hutterites, etc.)

I’d bet dinner at Ruths Chris this all culminates in a “Those Wacky Mormons!” series in October.


30 posted on 06/13/2012 8:28:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colofornian
There's a very old Church of the First Born out there with a church membership record that Joseph Smith signed into.

I am far more worried about COFB or COTFB (or the pre-Laestidian Old Apostolic Lutheran Church) (or a dozen other names) than I am any bunch of Mormons, and they do have a lot of bunches.

The COFB tend to believe you should not go to doctors. They end up having the highest infant mortality rate of any group in the Americas.

Joe, for whatever misgivings he might have had about COFB's traditions, took a lot of those COFB tradition with him, as did Swedenborg. Maybe they added some Masonic rituals, but one thing I know is Mormons use doctors, and when one of their numbers decide to runaway to a COFB congregation (see kid who ate only lettuce and watermelon) they go ballistic.

There are Mormons who know all about COFB ~ so I guess folks keep in touch. Maybe they should help guide the COFB faithful out of the shadows where people are allowed to bleed to death or simply dry up.

Joe quit the church ~ time to put an end to the nonsense part.

31 posted on 06/13/2012 8:30:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That show hasn’t got a hair if it doesn’t cover COFB.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 8:31:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Buckeye McFrog
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My exact prediction ... three months ago ...


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33 posted on 06/13/2012 8:31:40 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: ScottinVA
It appears the DNC has issued the order to launch the attacks. Dangerous gambit, given Obama’s own “religious” background, though.

I disagree. Obama's voters could care less about religion, unless "pro-choice" is a religion.

What posters seem to be missing is the fact that "when the NYT leads, all other mainstream media follows".

As we see every day on FR most Christians do not have the faintest idea of what mormon doctrine and beliefs are...yet. The Obama press will provide their education.

34 posted on 06/13/2012 8:32:52 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: hitchwolf
I wonder how many of us will wake up after the Myth coronation?
How many of us are dreaming of having our gas tank filled, and not having to pay our mortgage because Myth is preezee now? Well, most of us aren't dreaming of that. Most of us are dreaming he's gonna save us from socialism, globalism, and ruin.

Most of us are dreaming.

35 posted on 06/13/2012 8:34:23 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: greyfoxx39

Weird. This may be the way a lot of Mormons think, but it certainly isn’t a loyal Mormon thing to say it publicly in The New York Times, because the obvious purpose is to undermine Romney and send people stumbling back to Obama. Or to persuade Evangelicals to stay home and not vote.

Obviously this Mormon is much like the rogue Catholics the Times regularly calls on to undermine the Catholic Church. Maybe a MINO instead of a CINO. The difference being that much of what he says is what a lot a Mormons say privately among themselves. But they certainly aren’t supposed to be saying this in public. It’s a violation of Mormon Takiya, if you’ll pardon the borrowed term.


36 posted on 06/13/2012 8:34:36 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Colofornian

One needs to assume 1 = 1 = 1 for that equation to work. That is, they are identical in all respects.

If they were so in the case of the trinity, then why did Jesus pray to God? Being identical would imply that the inherent properties of each entity is identical to the other. There is nothing one of the entities could have possessed, which the other didn’t, which was remedied through one of the entities praying to the other. Each one would have been identical intimately to such an extent, that praying is meaningless.


37 posted on 06/13/2012 8:36:48 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Da Coyote; greyfoxx39; All
The writer of this article is about as Mormon as Obama is a Christian.

The writer claims to be a temple Mormon; only 15-20% of Mormons seem to want to endure the process to become or remain a temple Mormon...which includes periodic rigorous temple rec questions from a local bishop...tithing...etc.

Temple Mormons are the "elite" Mormons -- the Mormons who tend to think they are "gods in embryo" on their way to full-grown godhood...like Mitt Romney.

You can vote for somebody who thinks they a god. That's our Free Republic.

But you know, take away the Mormonism...and I ask...

If Sarah Palin ran for POTUS in 2016 and previously declared her godhood, do you think a nation of conservatives would give her a 100% pass? (Or even a 90% pass?)

I can just imagine any non-Mormon candidate declaring in all sincerity, "I am a god in embryo. I will one day receive prayer from the people I create -- along with their worship, adoration, and praise. I will be a rival competitor for glory to 'THE' God."

Now why would ANYBODY expect the above to not offend Christians, Jews, and other monotheists?

And why aren't Christians offended by the notion that if they plan on voting for Romney, the temple mormon, that they are elevating a Personality "idol" on a scale not readily seen in this country.

38 posted on 06/13/2012 8:40:12 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: ScottinVA
>"but they didn't have the courage."

That was their distributor "Comedy Central" that censored mudhamhead (Pigs be inseminating him). They sneak his toon in here and there.


39 posted on 06/13/2012 8:40:55 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
We had another prediction on FR that's come true ~ that was when the Mittbots got their boy over the line they'd begin openly equating any criticism of Mitt with criticism of the LDS.

For some strange reason Mormons find it difficult to distinguish between Romney and their church.

Anybody have an explanation for why that's true and how we can suppress the instinct before you lose all the downticket races as well.

40 posted on 06/13/2012 8:46:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cicero

He is only “rogue”, if all TR holders are. TRs are awarded to only about 15% of the most loyal lds.


41 posted on 06/13/2012 8:48:43 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Patton@Bastogne; Buckeye McFrog
I find it hard to believe either of you are still supporting/ paying for tv/cable/satellite.

It is sooo predictable.

42 posted on 06/13/2012 8:49:49 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: James C. Bennett
One needs to assume 1 = 1 = 1 for that equation to work. That is, they are identical in all respects.

Why? (do you assume that?)

Oneness has to do with nature/essence...When we speak of threeness, we are talking about self-distinctions within the Godhead. Put another way, we believe in one What and three Who's.

If they were so in the case of the trinity, then why did Jesus pray to God? Being identical would imply that the inherent properties of each entity is identical to the other.

Even human speaking - wise, Jesus says a man and wife are "no longer two" -- but one. (read matthew 19) They are intimately one; they are joined together as one. They are both human (the what). Identity-wise, they share the same last name, yet are two Persons.

So are you willing to grant Jesus' premise that they are no longer 2 yet 1, but you refuse to grant a divine oneness that consists of 3? Cannot the divine be more intimately one than a mere husband and wife?

And then, for those who go radically solo in describing God, that winds up being a bare oneness --a non-social oneness of God -- a non-corporate oneness of God; and that would mean that before any angels or people were created that God was alone. Was He?

How could God be love if there was no social oneness for love to be exchanged?

God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit communicated before anyone was; love was exchanged before anyone was; so it's no surprise Jesus prayed to the Father...yet one more string in an eternal one of communication.

43 posted on 06/13/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: muawiyah
The mormons in my family and friends are “warned” not to criticize each other in public as it reflects poorly on the “church”.
It appears because of this, they will furiously defend any person regardless of what their politics are because they are viewing it as an attack on the “church”.
44 posted on 06/13/2012 8:56:15 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

You are correct. However, I do not believe that his LDS membership will be the greatest wedge between Romney and Christians. Rather, it will be his pro-Death and pro-gay past.


45 posted on 06/13/2012 8:56:47 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: greyfoxx39

This is an interesting piece of writing, weaving seamlessly together the well-ripened fruits of a good education with a near total misunderstanding - if one were to be charitable in one’s judgment - of Christianity. The piece itself is curious. The piece of work who put it together is not. He is simply a well-educated ignoramus. Sadly, this is what passes for insightfulness today.


46 posted on 06/13/2012 8:57:25 AM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: section9; Elsie
The New York Times doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Mormonism. This is about creating a conflict between Christians and Mormons so enough Evangelicals stay home on Election Day...

If you think that's the case, then either you and/or the NY Times don't know enough about Evangelicals.

In 2010, Evangelicals were 1/3rd the entire vote. That's not 1/3rd of the Republican vote, but the ENTIRE vote!

IOW, Evangelicals do not "stay home."

Secondly, it is true that there's none-to-little steam for getting out the vote among Evangelicals. No passion. Why would there be when the GoP-E has given us a liberal, pro-abort, big govt, socialist pioneer healthcare artist who thinks he's a god-in-embryo en route to full-blown godhood?

But with all the other races & other issues, no reason for Christians to stay home...e'en if there ARE plenty of reasons for Christians to vote for Virgil Goode or some other third party.

Do I really need to trot out the various quotes from Mormon leaders thru the years -- the ones highly accusatory by Lds leaders toward Christians -- to show you that this conflict isn't suddenly "created" as you claim?

Joseph Smith tried to bury worldwide Christianity in one big spiritual graveyard. He tried the scorched earth approach...labeling us all "apostates" and "corrupt" and said all of our creeds were putrid.

Mormons assumed an in-your-face controversial conflict-driven approach from the get-go!

47 posted on 06/13/2012 9:00:27 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Cicero
The difference being that much of what he says is what a lot a Mormons say privately among themselves. But they certainly aren’t supposed to be saying this in public. It’s a violation of Mormon Takiya

The author is pretty much expressing the anger that we see every day by FR mormons....his problem seems to be the usual attitude of mormonism that it is so "speshul" in being the "true and living church" that it is sacrilege for anyone to even discuss the sect.

The mormon membership wants everyone to leave them alone while they crow about the prophecy of a mormon on a white horse "saving the Constitution".

Sad.

48 posted on 06/13/2012 9:01:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: metmom

“WHY do they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?”

To mislead Christians and walk as disguised wolves among sheep.


49 posted on 06/13/2012 9:05:11 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: greyfoxx39

If you want to offer sound information to your fellow Mormons and people of all faiths; might I suggest one reads “The Proper Role of Government” by the late, great Ezra Taft Benson. He was the president of the Mormon church and also Ike’s Sec. of Ag.

Link: http://www.properroleofgovernment.com/

I believe our FReeper community will find favor in his wisdom ... (except for RINO’s).

It is a quick read.


50 posted on 06/13/2012 9:06:57 AM PDT by taxcutisapayraise (Making Statism Unpopular)
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