Posted on 06/14/2012 2:03:25 AM PDT by markomalley
The Rev. Peter Ruggere began his seminary training when Roman Catholics were still celebrating Mass in Latin.
By the time he was ordained a priest in 1968, the church had gone through massive changes with Vatican II, a council which sought to align the centuries-old religious institution with the modern world and brought sweeping reforms to Catholicism.
One of those was implementing English in Mass, making it more accessible and participatory for Americans.
"The Latin Mass is something I never had to do," says Ruggere, priest in residence at Corpus Christi Catholic Church in Temple Terrace. "All those changes that made the church open and welcoming were positive, as far as I was concerned."
But with the tradition-minded Pope Benedict XVI at the helm of the 1 billion-member church, there's been a slow shift toward returning to some of the old practices and structure.
That's a concern for some clergy.
This week, about 240 priests from around the country are meeting at Saint Leo University in St. Leo for the inaugural assembly of the newly formed Association of U.S. Catholic Priests. Among its goals: To be a "voice of hope" and to "celebrate and implement the visionary concepts of Vatican Council II."
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average age = 68. Most will be dead or senile in 15 years. Shelf-life for this group...oh about 3 years. Kumbaya, m’lord, kyumbaya....the times they are a changin!
If he was ordained in 68, he’s probably about 70 now. And I’m sure this is the average age of the rest of them.
I think this is their last gasp. I’m disappointed that St. Leo’s is letting them meet there, though.
And disciplined. Without faculties. The Church isn’t a democracy, it’s a hierarchy, with Our Lord as King, socially, spiritually, temporally. They do not have the luxury of quiet disobedience, as they seem to think. Pray that they leave this path before it is too late for them, especially since they also support the Magisterium of Nuns, and all that that entails.
“Besides providing a forum for priests and serving as a “spiritual and psychological advocate,” the association also intends to support female church colleagues, some of whom are now under scrutiny by Rome”
The nuns under scrutiny have lost their faith and are the last vestiges of the ‘virgin social worker’ movement that took over the Church in the years following Vatican II. Interestingly, the Vatican has no problem with the faithful sisters who adhere to church doctrine and also do good works.
This group is a good thing - it is better that these progressives identify themselves than make the Vatican root them out; consequently they will be easier find and to discipline.
Not that long ago, on Pentecost Sunday, there was a priest who is a priest in residence in my parish who just celibrated being a priest for 40 years. He ministers also to two local police departments and at a local hospital.
As a child of Vatican 2, I am in the middle between those who were younger adults during the early years after VC 2 and those younger adults now who are flocking to traditional-minded seminaries and orders. Also is begining to really, really get to know the Lord and to be much more devout. The folks in the middle like myself are the ones who are going to have re-learn of their faith.
"The Priestly Fraternity for the Preservation of Polyester Vestments" lost by one vote.
First of all, please see post number 6. Thank-you.
Second, as I have said, the ones who will need to rediscover the rich heritage of the Church are those who are the children of VC 2 which I am part of.
There is a priest in residence who just had his 40th celibrated on Pentecost, the anniversary of his ordination. He would be at least in his late 60s.
My first thought: Great. Now the Vatican knows who not to make bishops. Second thought: There’s no-one under 75 in the photo to make a bishop.
Who’d ever have thought the ordination classes of the 1960s would age to be so dedicated to the notion of “those God-damned young priests; what the hell do they think they know?”
I bet they sit around saying things like......."do you guys remember when that Sr. Theresa Kane lectured the Pope? Ahhhhh, those were the days........"
I like things like this. It's great to see all the "spirit of Vatican II" types in one place, commiserating with each other and bewailing the demise of their insipid, humanist, desacralized church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAssDlvaxEM&feature=player_embedded
Six people in the whole organization with any trace of color in their hair.
A young-ish altar-serving woman,
A pianist who MAY be one of them, but probably not,
One guy in the foreground with an obvious dyejob (Note the white temples),
and three people who may be priests who are young enough to have some of their own color in their hair. I’d say average age = 68 is quite generous. I’d guess 78.
That appears to be a MASS. Notice everyone just sitting around, taking notes, pointed every which direction. No crucifix near the altar (there HAPPENS to be one on the side of the room, but it clearly is not there to serve a liturgical function.) And yes, there are 240 priests, but they still use an EME (EXTRA-ordinary minister of the Eucharist.)
O, goody, a LCWR for priests!
What happened to obeying your bishop, obeying the Pope?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAssDlvaxEM&feature=player_embedded
Six people in the whole organization with any trace of color in their hair.
A young-ish altar-serving woman,
A pianist who MAY be one of them, but probably not,
One guy in the foreground with an obvious dyejob (Note the white temples),
and three people who may be priests who are young enough to have some of their own color in their hair. I’d say average age = 68 is quite generous. I’d guess 78.
That appears to be a MASS. Notice everyone just sitting around, taking notes, pointed every which direction. No crucifix near the altar (there HAPPENS to be one on the side of the room, but it clearly is not there to serve a liturgical function.) And yes, there are 240 priests, but they still use an EME (EXTRA-ordinary minister of the Eucharist.)
They simply forgot the word O-B-D-I-E-N-C-E.
If it is modeled after the Irish group, you are on the money.
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