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Irish govm't to make it criminal offense for a priest not to report sex offender confessions
Catholic Herald ^ | June 15, 2012 | WILLIAM ODDIE

Posted on 06/16/2012 8:39:57 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Iscool
So a fundamentalist rapes four children and kills two of them...confesses his sins to God...Tells God he's sorry and won't do it again...

What's the difference, Iscool? The state can't force God to testify at the point of a gun?

Incidentally, the law in this country protects the confidentiality of discussions with all ministers of religion, not just Catholic priests.

Also incidentally, a priest is typically not going to let someone who confesses a heinous crime off the hook just for saying he's sorry. There's this little matter of penance, which may well involve a visit to the police station in addition to 5 Hail Marys.

51 posted on 06/16/2012 2:37:48 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Salman
Covering up sex crimes is a religious affair? Well then your religion is a criminal conspiracy.

The law protects discussions with clergymen and lawyers. Attorney-client privilege doesn't turn defense attorneys into co-conspirators, doesn't turn the practice of criminal law into a "criminal conspiracy," and defense attorneys aren't required to tattle to the DA every time they discover something that might be interesting to the prosecution. In fact, a defense attorney who did that would be incompetent.

Although some FReepers can't seem to grasp the fact, even accused child molesters have the same legal rights as anyone else accused of a crime.

And freedom of religion applies to everyone ... that is, if you expect to keep it.

53 posted on 06/16/2012 2:44:27 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: DPMD
The most likely result is that politicians and teachers will stop going to confession.

A few years ago, our pastor was doing sick calls at a local catholic hospital. One of the individuals he visited was a retired Democrat politician whose son had followed in his footsteps and was well respected. The senior politician had just been delivered a death notice by his medical team. During his pastoral visit, this individual asked the priest to hear his confession.

The priest, ever conscious of the seal of confession, used the situation as an example to uphold the right to life position to his congregation at a Sunday liturgy. While no name was mentioned, it was fairly easy to figure out who had made the confession. The priest did not expound on how he administered the sacrament, he encouraged his parishioners to be pro-active in support of life.

These politicians and teachers have consciences but place politics before faith. Those fortunate enough to reach the point of the above-cited politico, use their final days to draw the 'repentance' card, much like Ted Kennedy. Ultimately, they will stand before God and be judged, like all of us.

55 posted on 06/16/2012 2:49:45 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Moral absolutes and homosexual agenda ping.

There is a huge hotbed of pedophile defenders on this thread, defending practitioners of the perversion as if opposing pedophelia was an attack on catholicism. Even when the defenders of children are themselves Catholic.


58 posted on 06/16/2012 2:55:49 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: NYer

Ah, the government. The only folks who would tell people, in effect, “I’m going to order you to do something that’ll get you fired” and not expect to be laughed at.


60 posted on 06/16/2012 2:57:29 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: microgood

That is as stupid, nasty, and filthy a statement as has ever been made on any forum, internet or print in my lifetime.

Every group of children who grew up suffering sexual abuse has advocated this for a long time.

Contrary to your foaming at the mouth denial, they damned well do care about children living this horror now.


61 posted on 06/16/2012 3:01:45 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Tzar

Tzar fails to note that while leftists may have passed this, it came about because the Victims of decades of abuse demanded that it stop, and the population of Ireland as a whole agreed.

Tzar may reject all those scriptures about God ordaining governments, and the aspects of democracy within Ireland that brought about the response to the populace resulting in this legislation, but that does not make those things not there.


63 posted on 06/16/2012 3:15:59 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: NYer

Fr. William Saunders was my pastor when I lived in Northern Virginia. He’s written a couple of books called “Straight Answers” which are compilations of letters he answered when he wrote that column in the Diocese’s newspaper, similar to the column you posted about the Seal of the Confessional.

He is also an excellent speaker. You can hear some of his homilies at the Church’s website where he is the current pastor:

http://ourladyofhope.net/


65 posted on 06/16/2012 3:40:13 PM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: NYer
The Seal: A Priest's Story

66 posted on 06/16/2012 5:22:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

**wiretap **

That’s what happeneed to the author of “The Seal” in a prison confession of an inmate.

He won!


67 posted on 06/16/2012 5:23:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
"They will think that God will forget all the years of inattentiveness. But will he?"

Forgot the parable of the prodigal son?

"Luke 15:24, "For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate."

"Would you"

Of course.

68 posted on 06/16/2012 5:51:02 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer

And of course, the priest would be compelled to report any sin confessed to him that has been defined by the Government as a crime. This is an attack on the rights of everyone who has committed an act that might be construed as a crime. This is fascism.


69 posted on 06/16/2012 6:14:17 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Salman

So the priest is supposed to report adulterers? Or any sexual act that the Government chooses to call a crime? What about homosexuals who sin but who know that their actions are sinful.


70 posted on 06/16/2012 6:18:18 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: MrEdd

Is it necessary to do this to stop the abuse or just expedient? I argue the latter. Very likely the real perps could be convicted through the same kind of police work that convicts other criminals. Most criminals don’t confess their crimes to priests. My guess is that the truly vicious offenders —priest or not- would simply not confess the act. As for priests who have encountered past offenders, that is ex post facto law, which our constitution forbids for the reason that it is inherently unjust.


71 posted on 06/16/2012 6:32:09 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: MrEdd
"There is a huge hotbed of pedophile defenders on this thread"

Point out just one.

72 posted on 06/16/2012 6:42:34 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Campion
So a fundamentalist rapes four children and kills two of them

A fundamentalist wouldn't do that...

73 posted on 06/16/2012 8:31:09 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Tzar
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And evangelicals say a little prayer, claim they have been saved, and live like heathens.

I doubt that saved Evangelicals live like heathens any more that baptized catholics...But probably less so...

In the salvation process, Evangelicals turn to God and call upon Jesus to save them; trust in Jesus as their one and only Savior...

Catholics on the other hand, get wet...

74 posted on 06/16/2012 8:39:31 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Tzar
Should the accused’s wife be called to the stand to testify against her husband?

You mean like when he's raping their infant daughter? Hell yes!

76 posted on 06/17/2012 4:43:18 AM PDT by Salman
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To: NYer

1955.


77 posted on 06/17/2012 8:45:41 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Tzar

Interesting that you consider child rape a private religious matter.


79 posted on 06/17/2012 2:35:07 PM PDT by Salman
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