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To: spunkets
** "Plenish (Gen. 1;28), replenish (Gen. 9:1), multiply, raise more godly generations in a faithful flesh-of-my-flesh and bone-of-my-bones conjugation of mind and heart."

Birth control doesn't prevent, or interfere with this.

Utterly wrong, for employing effective artificial methods changes the future for a whole nation. By changing the population growth exponential coefficient, one can see a whole society wiped out. Birth control as an accommodation of personal convenience, declining family commitment, and promoting lasciviousness isn't working well. It subverts, inverts, diverts, reverts, and perverts The God's command to multiply and replenish.

Just on the United States, our Old Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund cannot support itself because the base of wage-earning workers has been so diminished by birth control/abortion (they are the same) that it will topple when baby-boomers are busted. On the other hand, with the prevalece of BC down to prepubescents, our nation is so f***ing itself to death that all moral strictures against lustful immorality have been pretty much wiped out, and ignoring The God's ordinances against covetousness in every area has resulted in antisocial chaos.

** "Produce The Messiah and a host of citizens to rule(Gen. 25:4 cp. Gal. 3:16, 19).

Just so you know, the Messiah wasn't concieved by way of intercourse. A host of citizens to rule? They're not yours, or anybody elses to rule.

You mean conceive. This trivial criticism is almost worthy of ignoring. If a woman's body was not capable of hosting the pure, perfect, incorruptible, Sin-free, completely preconceived cell capable of developing both the flesh, blood, and bone, there would have been no birth of that God-invested Seed. Furthermore, did that old Liar, the Devil, not have a plan in process to try to prevent the creation of a population segment of consecrated humans to reign with the Coming Messiah over the remaining segment of Christ-despisers, who need to be ruled with a firm hand, post-tribulation?

God is still in charge, and He rules.

"Wherefore The God also hath hihly exalted Him, and given Him a Name whic is above every name: That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father?" (Phil. 2:9-11)

"And Thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to Our God, and they will reign upon the earth" (Rev. 5:10)

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him ..." (2 Tim. 2:12a).

"His lord said unto him,'Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of the Lord.' " (Mt. 25:22) "And he said unto him, 'Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.' " (Lk. 19:17).

"Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" (1 Cor. 6:3).

**"Many Scriptures about how not to use ones body,"

I want just one, spoken by God Himself that says birth control is wrong. Otherwise, man was given the gift of freewill to decide when to procreate and when not to. Notice, that it is to be decided by the couple, not those who wish to userp their will for reasons of their own wickedness.

I don't see anywhere in the Bible that it says "Don't smoke!" or "Don't fill yourself with trans fats," etc. Can you figure this out for yourself?

Adam had freedom of will to eat or not eat of the forbidden tree. You (and your marriage partner) have freedom of will to procreate or not, but it is far more wise to cease being oppositional about this issue and seek the counsel of your Bible, trained pastor or an Orthodox or Chasidic rabbi (who will be very expert in this); or a family internist. Do that assuming you are not counting on causing another person, say, you or the one you "love" to fill the body with progesterone or the like so you can avoid the extra responsibility of figuring out how many days there are in a month.

God has already set his timing on this. It is called "the menstrual cycle." In his plan, there is a time commanded to abstain from intimate relationships. There is a time when normal consensual sharing is that of mutual judgment and preference. A scrutiny of Leviticus can get you starten on the "yes/no" factor. On "when/maybe" is up to you, deciding your responsibility with common sense.

Also, the complementary cycle is matched by self-denial, postponement of gratification, anticipating a coming satisfaction -- a general revival of interest through denied access, planning for a boquet or a date out, etc. Don't exhaust the joys of a potential life commitment in a few months/years of finally unpalatable surfeit.

If you want to use chemical or mechanical means to override The God's provided cycle, you will be in trouble, because now the underlying lust and covetousness and lack of self-control are masked by employing the artificial methods to sideline constraints. This might not seem sinful, but if applied across the whole secular society sums up into moral failure -- the error of ungovernable children who need a parent, because they are not Spirit-controlled or even consciously temperate.

***"Automobiles do not impregnate human females."

Neither does birth control.

No, it just frees you to do anything you want, any time you want, with whomever you want, at any rate you want, by negating the potential natural consequences. But what we have found is that we are faced now with unplanned consequences that are now coming due, despite initial expectations. Do you know where your wife/husband is this evening?

Enjoy it, if you can.

I'm done on this for a while.

158 posted on 07/02/2012 3:02:34 PM PDT by imardmd1 (...Let such as love Thy salvation say continually,"The LORD be magnified!" Ps. 40:16b)
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To: imardmd1
"I don't see anywhere in the Bible that it says "Don't smoke!" or "Don't fill yourself with trans fats," etc."

Then they're not sins.

"Utterly wrong, for employing effective artificial methods changes the future for a whole nation. By changing the population growth exponential coefficient, one can see a whole society wiped out."

That's deep, profound pessimism, but not reality.

"Just on the United States, our Old Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund cannot support itself because the base of wage-earning workers has been so diminished by birth control/abortion (they are the same) that it will topple when baby-boomers are busted."

I see... the purpose of people is slaves. BTW, I thought a trust fund was a fund with actual money in it. Aren't you talking about the ponzi scheme.

Birth control and abortion are not the same and a petri dish full of embryos in a fertility clinic is not a pool of people.

"That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, ...and things under the earth

The turtles too? Won't the Earth fall right off if they do?

"God has already set his timing on this. It is called "the menstrual cycle." In his plan, there is a time commanded to abstain from intimate relationships. There is a time when normal consensual sharing is that of mutual judgment and preference. A scrutiny of Leviticus can get you starten on the "yes/no" factor. On "when/maybe" is up to you, deciding your responsibility with common sense."

Free will and reason are gifts from God and are incopatible with dictates from Leviticus and the imaginations and conclusions of the illogical and ignorant. Producing slaves and subjects for one's own gratification is evil, as is interfereing with other folks relationships, intimate, or otherwise.

166 posted on 07/02/2012 11:10:17 PM PDT by spunkets
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