To: Artcore; Colofornian; svcw; Big Horn; NoGrayZone; ETL; chris37; crazydad
These people are "becoming seriously unhinged".It's obvious which posters are "becoming seriously unhinged" when you look at the frenzy of the responses to sourced, factual truths about mormonism!
There is no possible way for them to refute your posts, Colo...so the ad hominems are flying! THIS should drive 'em nuts!
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The Council of Fifty and Todays Church
One might say, Maybe they dont have a Council of Fifty anymore. Perhaps they dont follow the same line of thinking anymore because they teach that a present-day prophet (the President of the Church) can supersede what former ones taught.
Each President of the Church does have the right to supercede previous doctrines, as was done in 1978 when the ban on African Americans joining the church was lifted, in what is commonly referred to as the Black Revelation. But the Kingdom of God and the Council of Fifty, along with its agenda, is something that would never be dismissed. Klaus Hansen states that since world government was to be one of the Councils primary missions, the modern-day Church leaders are not going to do away with it. (37)
However, it is correct that leaders no longer tell members how to vote in state or national elections. This came as a disappointment to many in the church. When I was a member I recall when I heard this announcement. At the time, others and myself felt very disheartened. We wanted our prophet to tell us which presidential nominee to vote for. We believed he was a recipient of heavenly revelation and would naturally know which candidate God approved of. But, even with no longer being told, we still knew that the church favored the Republican Party.
Yet, in spite of this change in policy, the Law of Common Consent, the raising of members hands to confirm those appointed within the church, is still operative today. If a Mormon dares vote contrary to church appointed leaders, claimed to have been called by revelation, he or she is called in for the dreaded interview. If the individual doesnt repent, excommunication is inevitable.
However, it is believed that at some time in the future the church will change its present policy of not telling their members what issues, or candidate they should vote for in elections. When this happens, it is believed that while members may not be told outright how to vote, it will be politely suggested. Again, no one would dare refuse. The membership will be expected to rally behind whatever issues, or candidates the leaders decide need a majority vote--and leaders can communicate their wishes within a matter of hours.
This is accomplished through a networking system, which communicate[s] messages with amazing speed. One church leader boasted that by using each local wards telephone tree, [he] can make sixteen calls, and by the end of the day 2,700 people will know something. (38)
Further, the Mormon Churchs Information Systems Division anticipates that via their satellite systems, the General Authorities [church hierarchy] will be able to notify as many as three million Church members throughout the U.S., Canada, and Mexico in less than an hour! (39)
The point is that if the Mormon Church gains any future kind of political control in the nation, the above kind of theocratic government and voting procedure will be operative.
40 posted on
07/01/2012 9:45:10 AM PDT by
greyfoxx39
(Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
To: greyfoxx39
Oh my, there goes me going “nuts”. Please, spare me.
53 posted on
07/01/2012 10:26:23 AM PDT by
NoGrayZone
(For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
To: greyfoxx39
I am always amazed by people who defend mormonISM who nothing nothing about it.
57 posted on
07/01/2012 11:23:49 AM PDT by
svcw
(If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
To: greyfoxx39
...they teach that a present-day prophet (the President of the Church) can supersede what former ones taught. Surely NOT!!!
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say Thus Saith the Lord, to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by mens reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidencythe highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidencythe living prophet and the First Presidencyfollow them and be blessedreject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captainhow close do our lives harmonize with the Lords anointedthe living ProphetPresident of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University) http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng
72 posted on
07/01/2012 4:32:24 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: greyfoxx39
...they teach that a present-day prophet (the President of the Church) can supersede what former ones taught. Whew!!!
They escaped being DAMNED!!!
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
73 posted on
07/01/2012 4:34:38 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: greyfoxx39
There is no possible way for them to refute your posts, ColoI wasn't trying to refute anything. Just point out the even more horrendous alternative (treasonous/Communist Obama).
117 posted on
07/01/2012 11:39:13 PM PDT by
ETL
(ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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