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Jesus chose Judas Iscariot, and the devil took him away from the Lord.

So then, the LORD wasn't quite powerful, sovereign enough to stop the devil? By your thinking then, we can't call him King of Kings nor LORD of Lords because he can't quite stop his foes. The only way Christ CAN be KING of kings and LORD of Lords is that Judas never belonged to Him in the first place, which someone has already shown. Christ Jesus, our Lord God, is either over all, or at the least has an equal.

30 posted on 07/04/2012 6:09:24 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie
So then, the LORD wasn't quite powerful, sovereign enough to stop the devil? By your thinking then, we can't call him King of Kings nor LORD of Lords because he can't quite stop his foes. The only way Christ CAN be KING of kings and LORD of Lords is that Judas never belonged to Him in the first place, which someone has already shown. Christ Jesus, our Lord God, is either over all, or at the least has an equal.
"The devil and wicked men are so held in on every side with the hand of God, that they cannot conceive, or contrive, or execute any mischief, any farther than God himself doth not permit only, but command. Nor are they only held in fetters, but compelled also, as with a bridle, to perform obedience to those commands." (Calv. Inst., b. 1, c. 17, s. 11.)

"when God makes angels or men sin, he does not sin himself, because he does not break any law. For God is under no law, and therefore cannot sin." (Zwingli, Serm. on Providence, c. 5, 6.)
Beware theological determinism. You'll wind up saying completely nutty things like the above.
34 posted on 07/04/2012 6:36:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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Lupie,... there are different roles in the different persons of the Godhead. One God, three persons.

God the Father elects those who will be saved.

Jesus Christ presents to all humans the perfect example of our relationship to God the Father. Just because we choose something doesn’t mean He chose it. He has volition also, known as His Sovereignty.


38 posted on 07/04/2012 3:11:42 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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