Skip to comments.James Carville: Romney’s Mormon religion still a problem [Mitt silent on bishop, gov roles]
Posted on 07/08/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by Colofornian
n an appearance on WWL radio in New Orleans earlier this week, James Carville surveyed the Romney campaign and said the presumptive GOP nominee still hasnt overcome the issue of his Mormon religion.
According to Carville, who has a forthcoming book called Its the Middle Class, Stupid, Romneys reluctance to talk openly about that is keeping him from dominating the campaign against President Barack Obama.
One of the problems that Romney has honestly is the thing against him the most is his religion, Carville said. And he doesnt understand the reasons. He doesnt talk about that. He was a bishop in his church. And he doesnt talk about the one public office that he held much and that was being the governor of Massachusetts. So, he talks about Bain, but thats become sort of a big issue in the campaign. Hes got to, you know if you look at the numbers, Romney should win this campaign.
So, I think Romney is going to come out I think theyre going to recalibrate their strategy a little bit, he said. I think theyre going to have to. And he just going to have to be more aggressive talking about some of the things he has done and give people a window into as who he is.
The best thing for Romney to do, Carville said, would be to highlight his ability to fix things.
I would say, look people are looking for someone that can fix things, Carville said. And you got to tell them Romney is that guy. You know, you accomplished that with the Olympics. You actually accomplished that when you were governor of Massachusetts. And you actually accomplished that when you ran Bain.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/06/carville-romneys-religion-still-a-problem-with-his-presidential-candidacy/#ixzz202gM8gr0
(1) Mitt doesn't talk about his gov role in MA. (He can't. His "main achievements" in MA was (a) RomneyCare; and (b) NOT being able to defend one-man, one-woman marriage when the MA justices decided to overhaul that institutions)
(2) Mitt doesn't talk about his resume' as a "bishop" in the Mormon church, either.
He's "locked" to discussing Bain (and occasionally, the Olympics). That's it.
So there's really been "no window" into who Mitt is. His "groundswell" isn't even about Mitt. It's all been about "the Middle Class" this and "Middle Class that" -- All because what Obama has done to the Middle Class!
So Carville thinks Team Romney will have "to recalibrate their strategy a little bit...[and] be more aggressive talking about some of the things he has done."
Wow! Once that happens, that'll be like a defense attorney who ventures into ground that a judge might otherwise rule as "irrelevant" to the "case" at hand for the prosecuting attorney to cover...yet once the defense attorney wanders in...too late...they "opened the door" for prosecution testimony discussion purposes.
Mormonism would then become a "free-for-all" subject matter for discussion within the MSM. Why? Because Mitt would be bringing it up!!!
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
What's the "window" into who he is? And how does his Mormonism relate to who Mitt is?
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm, they may want to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
Expect then this same lack of constancy in a Romney White House. Wishy washy. Flip flopper. Waffler. Gumby.
Romney is not going to get sucked in to letting the Carville’s of this world define the terms of the debate as to who should be President.
Nice try, Carville, but it ain’t going to fly.
Romney can not talk about being governor because he was a failure.
Romney can not talk about the Olympics because he took $600mil taxpayers money to fix it.
He can’t talk about his belief in mormonISM because it is anti-Christian.
He could talk about his time at Bain, whether he was successful is your point of view.
All he can really do is say “I am not obama and obama sucks”.
I follow your posts and appreciate you teling the truth about Mormonism.
I am curious about your voting intentions for November. You know a lot about Romney and what his faith is. Since you are a FReeper, I assume you know a lot about Obama as well.
Who do you choose: the Mormon or the Socialist?
If this is too personal, forgive me. You don’t have to answer. I am asking because I am having a difficult time deciding if I can stomach voting for Mitt just because he isn’t Obama.
You are a terrific expositor of what’s wrong with the LDS.
AND, you and I share the view that from Labor Day until Election Day, the MSM will be full-force “did you know this about LDS” 24/7.
To me, this doesn’t matter. I would rather have a guy who thinks he’s meant to fulfill the white horse prophecy than a guy who thinks he’s meant to destroy America.
I hope there are enough voters who agree with me.
And that's gonna have to do.
What do you think Romney should talk about?
Or what are the reasons he should be president, beyond “I am not obama”.
He was failure as governor, he needed $600mil taxpayers money to fix the Olympics, mormonISM is anti-Christian...besides Bain all he has is “I am not obama”.
Why are you supporting him beyond “he is not obama”?
I would really like to know.
Is that kinda like Obama not talking about his ‘Islamic...err Christian’ faith?
What more do you need?
Obama DOES SUCK
Thank you for insulting the poster before you made some point.
Apparently you have forgotten that Romney is in essence the father of obamaCare, it was his advisers who helped obama write the bill after they consulted with Romney about RomneyCare.
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
I think your analysis is spot on, Colofornian.
I certainly don't pretend to be an expert on the subject of Mormonism, but I've learned enough here at this forum to become convinced that there is much to Mormonism that a mainstream presidential candidate won't want to try to defend. In response, Romney's supporters here usually limit their defense to the claim that Mormonism shouldn't be viewed as relevant to his candidacy. Of course, that is exactly why your point is so salient.
Should Romney insist that his Mormonism is relevant?
Having lived in a Mormon community, I’ve known a number of steady, dependable Mormons who were anything but sociopaths, but hey, there were some bad ones. I’ve met some bad Presbyterians too. ...But seriously, If I wish to remain franchised this election, I have to accept a limited choice, Obama or Romney, or convince myself any other choice I make won’t help Obama.
Talk about a crazy, sociopathic fueling religion, liberation theology is it. I’ve seen no evidence that Obama isn’t completely dedicated to his religion, and Obama’s Marxist styled spiritualism is as anti-American as it gets. ...It’s an easy decision. I take Mitt.
I’ve read most everything Walter Martin wrote, and a number of other Christian apologists as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Mormonism is anything other than a non-Christian cult. Same goes for liberation theology, and I find the latter far more dangerous, and relevant to the political dynamics of the day. I might also add that I’ve met a number of Mormons who really don’t understand that they are not Christians, according to their theology, even if they live good lives. Where Mitt stands in this scheme of things is beyond what I know of him. But it gets back to my choice. I can’t change what this reality is. I vote Mitt, without hesitation.
Why are you supporting Romney?
To just say he is not obama, is not a reason.
Why do you support Romney?
“Thank you for insulting the poster before you made some point.”
...A: that comment was directed at Carville.
B: I’m fully aware of Romneycare and Mitt’s ability to flip flop. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s the GOP nominee. If you stay home, you’re voting for Obama. All anyone can do is hold Romney to his current position of “repeal”.
Did all of us ever think we would agree with Carville? LOL!
Just because I have said I am not supporting Romney in no way means I am staying home, it is a some weird conclusion of rabid Romney supporters.
If either of these men are the nominees, for the first time in my life I will not vote for president, I will vote for all other offices.
The FR He-Man Mitt Haters Club members have been repeating and embracing leftist talking points here on "America's premier conservative web forum" non-stop for months.
This they do in the name of "true conservatism".
Why do we ever listen to Democrats who claim to be offering advice to Republicans? Carville is laying a trap here. He WANTS Romney to open up about his Mormon religion because the Democrats want to portray him as a polygamist, racist kook. They want to make all the worst moments of the Mormon religion (whether they apply to Romney or not) the next big talking point to distract from Obama’s abject failures.
Only they can’t start this without looking intolerant, they have to get Romney to talk about it first so they can pounce on it and claim they’re merely answering Romney.
Romney is sticking to his Johnny-one-note about the economy and the Dems want the subject to be anything but. That’s why Mitt is sticking with this one theme because he knows Obama looks like an idiot every time he tries to excuse himself from responsibility.
“Just because I have said I am not supporting Romney in no way means I am staying home, it is a some weird conclusion of rabid Romney supporters. If either of these men are the nominees, for the first time in my life I will not vote for president, I will vote for all other offices.”
Same here. I will vote for all other offices. After much thought and after consulting the Scriptures, I do not believe I can cast a vote for Romney in good conscience, but not merely because he’s Mormon, though that is certainly a problem. When I look at the biblical qualifications for overseers he falls way short. In my view his greatest failing is one of character and integrity. He’s a fundamentally dishonest man. A case can be made that we know as little about him as we do Obama. Sure we know his biography, but we do not know what he really believes about much of anything.
In the end my hope is in the Lord. He’s sovereign over all the little princes of this world.
The Rogue Yam FReeper Hater Club of One spends all his time hating on FReepers that won't cow to his bullying instead of trying the simple tactic of posting information rebutting posts that include actual actions of Mitt Romney and actual doctrine of the mormon church.
Nothing would make the FReeper Hater Club of One happier than for him to have the power to banish all those who refuse to kiss his "choose the right" ring.
This he does in the name of "true conservatism".
I'll take the non-Moslem.
Apparently some can use he religion forum as a political attack forum, so long as it is an attack on MIlt Rominy don’tchaknow. It started as a stealthy posting of ISM opposition with immediate shift to Rominy as the focus. Now, the shift isn’t even necessary, since the threads start out as Rominy attacks but are protected under the guise of religious discussion’ so they get protected status to make the political attacks using the religion forum. And if/when someone makes comment on this, that person is immediately attacked from several directions, for not being a pure enough freeper or Christian. FR is changing, or maybe it’s not. Who can say. The forum designations don’t seem to have much differentiation any more though, well, except the caucus threads are still well controlled. I guess we could read this as the religion of some is hate Romney, but then he has so many character flaws over which to find him disgusting, one wonders why some are doing the sleazy work of the fifth column enemy media by attacking this liberal over his religion, using the religion forum at FR as the vehicle?
Page 261 of the paper back edition of "Audacity of Hope".
Interesting to see the defacto Obama supporters in this thread. The dimoKKKRAT Trojan horses are in full stride.
well, I just had to post a comment on this thread, seieing as how you were expecting me to arrive. Wouldn’t want to disappoint you. Are you having fun yet?
Yam, you would not know conservatism apparently if it punched you in the face.
Romney is NOT a conservative, he has not one conservative bone in his body, evidence - his record.
Name names. Who on this thread is supporting obama?
Why don’t you just leave FR and run on over to TBL with their “why I hate FR” club, instead of disparaging actual conservatives.
I wil trust any Mormon over any Marxist !
I need a person that has more in common with what I believe in than what Obama believes in. I will vote for that person.
That person is not Romney.
I actually like Car’vile’. You just listen to whatever he says and do the opposite. He’s a great window into what not to do.
See the garbage can on head episode for more details ;)
Seriously though, Carville is the most transparent of the dems. You can pretty much bank on them following/doing whatever ‘advice’ he has. They just wait a while until what he sais is out of the MSM and forgotten. Nor 100% of the time, but a lot of the time.
As opposed to someone with questionable motives...like yourself? Someone intending to vote FOR a liberal and calling himself ‘conservative’?
You and logical thought are parallel lines Yam. Never will the two meet. Once again, I have an open offer out there. You tell me how a conservative can vote for a liberal without abandoning his conservative beliefs to do so and I’ll campaign for Romney.
A simple request that you continue to make excuses for and duck out of. Come on Yam...tell the class how it’s done.
I disagree. IMO he's got a hefty monthly paycheck from the Romney campaign.
It’s good to see some conservatives vet Romney unlike the elites in the GOP.
We should not be like Obama voters and stick our heads in the sand and pretend there’s nothing wrong with this candidate.
If the right wants to have integrity, they must accept the truth about Romney and his kookie religion, otherwise if they ignore it, lie to cover it up or use Alinsky tactics to stop others from speaking out, then they’ve become as evil as the left.
I thought exactly this about John McCain and voted for him anyway.
This was because he was running against a dull-witted, inexperienced, wrong-headed narcissist who hated white people and hated America.
Whisper, whisper, whisper.
He’s already there. He ‘claims’ it’s not him though. But then he claims that a conservative can vote for a liberal with a straight face so his logic obviously leaves a lot to be desired.
He’s also afraid of answering questions that could upset his deep rooted desire to do so. People say he once FReeped with the best of them in Frisco. I wonder how he went from active defiance of libs to open support of them.
Personally, I think many people have so little confidence in the concept of the United States of America, they have begun to suffer with obamahysteria.
That's all --
Anti what? Anti liberal? Anti hypocrisy? Anti egg custard?