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To: Former Fetus

Sixth, the rapture will exempt an entire generation of Christians from death.


The problem is there are too many contradictions in the rapture theory.

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Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

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Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


We shall not all sleep in death, as people before us did, it will be the last day so we don,t have time to sleep for hundreds of years, we shall be changed in the instant we die.


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O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

If there was no death, what would be the purpose of saying o death, where is thy sting? if there is no grave why would it say, o grave, where is thy victory?

Our body dies and are in the grave but we are not there.


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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

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But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.


All die, but every man in his own order.

Christ the firstfruits; those are the ones who went with Christ, the hundred and forty four thousand.


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Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

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And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.

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And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

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These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

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No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.


The 144000 are from the tribes of Israel.

afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. thats us or at least i hope i am with you.


rev 7
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After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

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And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


No man could number because it had not happened, but for all i know may be happening today.


rev 7
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And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Ch 14 explains that the hundred and forty four thousand are the first fruits of god.


rev 14
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These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

We will die, and then in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye we will meet Christ in the air.


9 posted on 07/20/2012 1:24:53 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
The problem is there are too many contradictions in the rapture theory
Contradictions? Maybe it would be more accurate to speak of missunderstandings, misrepresentation...

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
we don,t have time to sleep for hundreds of years, we shall be changed in the instant we die
Wouldn't Paul have said something "we shall not all sleep for long"? There's nothing in this verse that indicates that some people will sleep just for an instant. Something will happen in an instant, though, and that is that we will be changed.

If there was no death, what would be the purpose of saying o death, where is thy sting? if there is no grave why would it say, o grave, where is thy victory?
There was death up to the moment of the Rapture (and after the Rapture for many of those left behind). But for the child of God there will be no more death, no more grave, from that day on.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive
At the time of the Fall, Adam did not die physically, but he did die spiritually. I think this passage talks about dying and being made alive spiritually

Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
The 144000 are from the tribes of Israel.
You are confusing the 144,000 of chapter 7, who are from the tribes of Israel, and the 144,000 of chapter 14 who are not from Israel but "redeemed from the earth" (v.3), i.e. believers from any nationality, origin...

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
No man could number because it had not happened
Maybe they could not be numbered because there were so many! Kind of like comparing to the number of stars in heaven!

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Ch 14 explains that the hundred and forty four thousand are the first fruits of god.

Read chapters 7 and 14 again, carefully. Other than the number, 144000, there are few similarities between these two groups

We will die, and then in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye we will meet Christ in the air.

That's your interpretation. I believe that some won't die but will be "snatched" just like Enoch. But the bottom line, and we both agree with that, is that we shall be ever with the Lord. And that's all that really matters!

10 posted on 07/20/2012 2:38:10 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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