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Posted on 08/14/2012 7:14:46 PM PDT by Phinneous
The Jewish belief in angels goes as far back as the Book of Genesis, where we read about angels calling out to Abraham at the binding of Isaac, angels appearing in Jacob's dream, Jacob fighting with an angel, and many more accounts of angelic activity.
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SARAH PALIN’S A LIVING ANGEL...I WILL SAY THAT....
Thank you for posting this article. I read the other article you referred to, just yesterday, I believe.
Both were very interesting, but this one seemed more informative and specific.
I might mention that Gabriel and Michael are also mentioned in the Koran.
Angels are created beings. God spoke them into being.
What is man?
God took the soil into His hands, shaped it into His image and breathed His breath into man.
Man was tied to creation and was filled with the breath of the Creator. That’s why creation fell with man.
That’s why God had to reconcile man to Him on the cross.
Angels...As told to me (more or less) by a modern youth.
Not a Jewish opinion. Wanna hear a Jewish opinion? G-d created and challenges man to do His commandments to infuse the world with holiness and to prepare it for the coming of Moshiach (the Messiah.) Cool? We can do it! (oh, your commandments, if you choose to accept: http://www.noahide.org/) Yup, I went there again!
I will even grant you that (in some fashion) “creation fell with man...” but the point is man can connect to G-d (commandments) and elevate creation.
That’s what I think too.
That’s right, they don’t. God knew we needed them, whatever form, imo and gut.
Moslem angels have a special name.... DEMONS.
You cannot get people to obey GOD unless you help them find GOD....
You cannot believe in GOD without Faith...
GOD does not want robots, he wants people to come to him all on their own...That is the Free Will he gave to human flesh.
The Noahide Laws are common sense laws that everyone needs to do, if they want to live in a Civilized Society.
I hope that nobody thinks I’m trying to hijack this thread, and if you do, please hit the “abuse” and pull this message.
Often, angels and demons are tied together (I believe that many Christians believe that demons are “fallen angels” who sided with Lucifer during the rebellion against The Lord.)
The reason I bring this up is that it seems most horror movies regarding demons have a Catholic background, like “The Exorcist,” “The Prophecy,” or “The Omen.” Other than “The Seventh Seal,” I don’t recall a single movie that has any Jewish references in it...
It seems that a movie coming out is (produced) by Sam Raimi (Evil Dead movies, Spiderman) is called “The Possession,” supposedly based on a true story, that directly involves Jewish mysticism (Kabalah), and I was completely unaware that there was any belief in Judaism in things like possessions and exorcisms. The story involves an ornamental box that was sold on eBay that it seems held some sort of demonic spirit.
Will anyone here go to see that movie? What are your beliefs on the subject. From my upbringing as a Jew, I’ve always believed in angels as The Lord’s messengers, but I never heard of, nor had I connected any sort of angel with evil that I know certainly exists.
Doesn’t God already know who and when, someone is going to have faith and find Him?
The Christian belief (well, some Christians, others are somewhat vague or even dismissive, erroneously imho) regarding demons comes from a source that should be familiar to Jewish people. We know it as the Old Testament. You know it as Torah. Demons in the world today would not be fallen angels but rather the spirits of their progeny who were physically destroyed in the flood.
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Angels ate with Abraham
When the food was ready, Abraham took some yogurt and milk and the roasted meat, and he served it to the men. As they ate, Abraham waited on them in the shade of the trees...
Angels can transform into a Physical Being...
No one is born having *Faith*
Life is a Journey of finding GOD, Faith and maturing with your walk daily with GOD....
Angels ARE physical beings ... but their ‘where/when’ is different from our yet accessible to them. Read Daniel Chptr5
Angels ARE physical beings ... but their ‘where/when’ is different from ours yet accessible to them. Read Daniel Chptr5
NO God does NOT know the number, IF He did there would be NO reason to have this flesh age. He did however, as Paul says know the ones who already proved their love and loyalty, they are called the elect.... Many are called but few are chosen. There can be no such thing as 'free will' IF the outcome is already decided.
What about the Talking Donkey?????
What about the Talking Donkey?????
Then the LORD opened the donkey’s mouth, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
Peter 2:16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man’s voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
Numbers 22:29 Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
I like this one too.
Of the many called, why are so few chosen? ... Because God honors our free will, and so few will let Him do 'it' (save them from their inherited self).
Paul was not allowed to follow his 'free will'. As Paul says some were chosen/elected before the 'foundation of this world'. Some were/are predestined to do specific things because they have already demonstrated their love and loyalty. I also think that given the promise in Isaiah 3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them." means that some 'spoiled brats' were sent at appointed times because the masses turned their backs collectively on the Creator.
Nothing is beyond HIM.
2. By this sort of local movement an angel may, at will, be present successively in several places and thus may be said to pass through the space between the first and the last place of the series. Or an angel may cease to apply its powers in the first place and begin to apply them in the last, not passing through the space between.
To God, Who knows the end from the beginning, to say that something or someone is predestined is not to say that a specific act or thing is determined before time begins to unfold. What it does indicate is that by God's plan, if/when a person exercising their free will does A, then B follows.
I had this same discussion when I mentioned during the Christmas season that Mary had free will and could have said she would not give her womb to carry the Christ child. God knew she would say yes though, even before she said 'be it unto me', because God has access to all of time, past, present, and future. Time is a volume, though we are curiously made to sense it as a linear phenomenon ... perhaps because that allows us to exercise free will and faith, rather than have 'foreknowledge'. God did not violate Paul's/Saul's free will.
Not to belabor the point, but here is a little essay which might help:
The One God evidences Himself in the work He is doing
The following will be 'a way' to understand the notion of the trinitarian nature of the Deity, not a strictly Biblical explanation, but one which is applicable to the teaching of the Bible. Here goes:
God The Father Almighty is greater than His creation, thus greater than dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation.
The universe of space and time is likened to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics.
The Bible relates scenes which defy the simplistic notions we use for assumptive science. We'll get to that 'assumptive' notion shortly, but let us make the statement that God The Father Almighty is as comfortable outside the bubble as He is inside the bubble.
Modern Physics has discovered that the balance of forces and tensions sustaining the universe necessary for human life to arise within the universe is extremely delicate, on the order of a mathematical improbability, represented as a 'one in less than' fraction so tiny that a one over a one followed by more than one-hundred zeros defines the probability that the whole thing remains in balance! Such a delicate balancing act is but one of the continuing 'works' of the Holy Spirit of God. It is by the Spirit of God, The Word, that the universe came into existence and it is said in the Bible that by His Spirit the whole is maintained.
But the Bible also states that The Word was with God in the beginning and was God. In John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.
Here's an address to 'assumptive science limitations': Now, when one reads the Tanakh/Old Testament, one finds scenes like the fifth chapter of Daniel where a being is in one spacetime 'where/when' reaching into another 'where/when' to write on the palace party central wall of king Belshazzar. Just the forearm/hand is seen in the where/when of Belshazzar and the party folks, the rest of the being remains in 'another' where/when.
God The Father Almighty created this 'other' where/when, His Holy Spirit maintains its balance and separateness from our where/when, and Jesus has moved in and out of this other where/when: as shown when He resurrected from the tomb without rolling away the stone, just passing out of the tomb where/when, into 'another' where/when; then back into our where/when as He spoke to the women come to the sepulchre; and when He appeared in a locked and shuttered room with the disciples present; or appeared suddenly with the disciples walking on a road and broke bread with them then left our where/when to go to the 'other' where/when.
The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.
With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.
Angels and devils undermine monotheism which is God alone.
Hang on there. God DOES know the end from the beginning, does he not? Before he even created the world, he already knew all those who would come to Him as well as all those who would reject him - this is because God is omniscient which means having complete, infinite or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things. However, this is not the same thing as saying God predestines who will or who won't be saved. Why God chose to do it all anyway is a mystery that I don't think our finite minds are all that capable of grasping. It doesn't change, however, that God certainly DOES know the "number". If he didn't, then he would be just as subject to time as we are and he would not be eternal or infinite. He would not be the I AM - the self-existant one and he would not be the only, true Almighty GOD.
What is the Jewish view about the angel called Lucifer, aka, Satan?
I like that. Thanks.
The Bible tells us that Jesus could not sin because His seed remained within Him. His Seed is His Godness in His human-kind spirit.
In the Spirit of Jesus is God.
In the flesh of Jesus was human-kind.
We have a body, a soul, and a spirit. Jesus as The Word has always been God, with the Holy Spirit and God The Father Almighty.
When Satan came to Jesus in the Wilderness, Satan tempted Jesus, that is to say Satan did the tempting, the offering, but Jesus because His Seed remained within Him was not tempted.
When Jesus prayed to The Father, Jesus was directing his soul (not His Spirit) into communion with The Father so as to behave as a man.
When Jesus cried out on the cross, 'Eloi Eloi lama sabakthani' He was letting us know via the witnesses there that His Spirit was no longer indwelt by Godness and He died as a man in our stead.
When His Godness returned in the tomb, the wrappings nor the rock could hold Him, for His Godness was now unimpeded by the flesh though indwelling the body. Jesus left the tomb with His human-kind body, and can now appear in that body anywhere in spacetime He so chooses, hence the Christophanies of the Old Testament.
A slight modification-— they exist because He created them within the system of creation. A slight tangent:
When you hear “Kabbalah” don’t think about Madonna, please. It is the teaching of how an all-powerful G-d can “contract” Himself down into a tiny physical world (our universe.) There are infinite worlds in between His essential state and our planet. On one plane are angels.
So they exist, but we are forbidden to worship them..that undermines monotheism.
God knows the minute of each persons death, but He doesn’t know who will find Him? Isn’t God all-knowing?
Perhaps ‘freewill’ is really just a belief? After all, even though what is believed to be ‘freewill’ is exercised continuesly, how would anyone prove that that exercise of ‘freewill’ wasn’t just part of God’s plan or destiny, and had to happen that way?
I have long struggled with the concept of God’s omniscience, especially when juxtaposed with the concept of human free will. I do believe that God is omniscient, but I am not sure what all omniscience entails. For example, I have 2 children. Does God know the name of my THIRD child? I submit that He does not, but that does not make him not omniscient. An omniscient being can only know that which CAN be known. My feeling (at least today) is that God gave man free will, and that He could make man’s free choices unknowable, by Him or anyone else. (Of course, in most cases God, and most of us, have a pretty good clue as to what a choice might be in a certain situation, but that is not the same as knowledge.)
God knows all that CAN be known. He does not know that which cannot be known. He is omniscient.
God has told us His name is I Am ... we struggle with meaning for concepts like ‘omniscient’, ‘omnipresent’, ‘omnipetant’ because we do not realize that dimension Time is a volume, not a linear expression as we perceive it limited as we are by His creating us this way for now ... As a volume, all of Time and Space are accessible to The Mind of God, and The Word of God, and The Power of God.
Perhaps you are right, but my point of view is that what we know about God we know by FAITH. I believe, for example, that God is love, that God sent Jesus Christ to this earth to, among other things, die for my sins. These are my faith beliefs. The nature of God and His ability to transcend time and space are also elements of faith.
As God is omniscient, and cannot be wrong, doesn’t that mean that what He knows will happen, must happen?
As witnessed for years at FR now, You play these mental games trying to avoid doing what God seeks from you, which is so simple even a dunce can do it, and Jesus explicitly stated that ONE work God desires of you in your free will when the legalists (who argued kinfd of like you, trying to entrap Him) demanded to know what God required for salvation from the nature they inherited.
To acquire God's life in your human spirit, all you need do is believe on Him Whom God sent for your salvation. That's it! God has promised to do the rest ... and as millions of humble Christians will tell you, He really does do the rest, including changing the desires of your heart so that you are gradually (usually) transformed into the image of His Son in your behavior mechanism. The Son is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Word was in the beginning with God and was God n the beginning, yet He made Himself a little lower than the angels even, for a season, so that He can redeem your being from the inherited nature passed to you from Adam. If you will not believe on Him Whom God sent, then you are exercising your free will and will not have God's Life enter into your human spirit. That is not God's fault, it is yours. He has promised to be responsible for your salvation/transformation. He is not responsible for your rejection of His Grace in Christ Jesus.
“Of the many called, why are so few chosen? ... Because God honors our free will, and so few will let Him do ‘it’ (save them from their inherited self).”
I believe that G-d does know everything. It’s His Divine Plan, after all.
My personal struggles with faith are not for His edification. They’re for MINE. He knows that my soul needed to go through the ups and downs to ‘get it.’
When my son was a baby, I knew that eventually he’d learn how to read. My knowledge that he’d learn this didn’t remove his free will. It just meant that I saw it coming.
I knew what he was capable of. I knew how to teach. I knew what materials to expose him to in order to set him up for success. I knew his psyche well enough to understand the best way to challenge him.
But, in the end, he still had the free will to refuse to learn the skill.
Hashem is our divine parent. He knew us before we were born. He knows how to guide us to get the result that He wants. And He is all-knowing enough to foresee all outcomes for all of time.
I find it interesting that the Copenhagen gaggle discovered that the observation of a wave/particle duality causes the collapse of the wave function, yet scientists who believe that do not comprehend how one choses to believe or not believe and thereby 'collapse' their destiny as one or another fate.
I believe God’s life is in my spirit, just as He is in everyones’.
The best way I can think of it (in my limited capacity of a human being) is that I allow my children to fail for their own growth and edification. I allow the natural consequences for their actions to be their best teacher. (And it is!)
Sometimes, bad things happen to them through no fault of their own. With those things, my children get stronger and learn how to cope better with life.
Hashem will not protect us from every little thing. We need to learn. And He knows exactly what lessons to teach us and how to teach them.
It’s up to US to shorten the learning curve and lessen our own pain! lol!
(Right now, I’m working on learning how to have Grace in the face of tragedy. Tragedy will happen, but I need to preserve a calm faith through the storms.)
Each of us may have that same Life imparted to our 'dead' human spirit, by believing on Him Whom God sent for our new birth into a new man. When we do what God requires, we are immediately made a new creation. As we walk thereafter, if we will allow Him to do it, we will be transformed along the alignment with this New Life in our before dead human spirit now alive in Christ, just as He told Philip that He is in God and God is in Him.
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