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To: Phinneous

If you don’t mind me posting to you, I have an observation I would like to share with you regarding one of your posts..

It is in regards to *Faith* you say within Judaism faith is not needed, because what you have is what you know...The truth of GOD.. I suppose you are conveying that school of thought from the belief in (Torah*) okay that I get that, however you were not born with that *Knowing* it was learned either taught to you by your parents, rabbi or holy books, so if you accepted that was it not by faith that you came to believe what you know???

Abraham, Moses even the Apostle Paul knew what they knew however when GOD called them out, they came to a total different understanding of what there role and relationship to GOD would be going forward....

I believe GOD calls people out wether Jew or Gentile and the ones who respond to the *Call* by Faith learn the truth which you call *Knowing*

An Atheist has no faith, so how could GOD ever call them out?

As one scripture in the Bible I think applies to the world is:

*Many are called but few are chosen*

Just wasn’t sure what you meant when you said you did not need faith...


56 posted on 08/15/2012 9:47:43 PM PDT by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: TaraP

If I said “not needed” I was a little too cheeky, however it is true that we ‘know’ our Torah and its observance to be true—we don’t rely on faith that it is true.

BUT, since one doesn’t hear G-d literally, like those at Sinai, or the prophets, or our sages (literally until the 18th century*) who had divine inspiration (a form of prophecy,) we do have a concept of faith in that which we can derive intellectually but not experience sensually. An analogy is having someone tell you all about what makes a 50,000 lb airplane fly, but not believing it until you see it with your own eyes.

So sorry to have let you ponder for a day or two a thought that Jews don’t have faith. It is an essential part of Judaism.

*The first rabbi of the Lubavitch chassidic dynasty (Rabbi Shneur Zalman ZT’L) said that our commentators up to the 18th century, had “ruach hakodesh” (heh, holy spirit...if you pardon the exact translation similarities to a non-Jewish concept) which they used to write their commentany on Torah and Jewish law.


60 posted on 08/16/2012 7:22:29 AM PDT by Phinneous
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