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To: spunkets

“No. One does not even need to know who God is to be saved. All that matters is that they value the things that God values.”


Paul is very clear. There is no sense that works are required, or that one can be saved outside of Christ by simply valuing what God values, whatever it is you mean by that. The scripture requires that you have faith in Jesus Christ, and that once this is done you are baptized by the Holy Spirit. From that point on the Spirit dwells in you and you in Christ. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding you though.


26 posted on 08/18/2012 10:30:48 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
"Paul is very clear. There is no sense that works are required,

Paul does not grant salvation. God grants salvation and I pointed out what He said on the matter. He -God- specifically said works are required.

"or that one can be saved outside of Christ by simply valuing what God values"

The fact that one is saved by valuing what God values can be seen by analyzing the following passage, which is the fundamental governing statement from God on the matter.

Matthew 12:32, " Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Note here htat God will even forgive folks that call him names. If that's true, then He would never find fault with those that don't even know Him. What does He say is unforgivable? It's saying something against the Holy Spirit, but that is Him and that will be forgiven. So what's left? It's the things that are held and valued by the Holy Spirit which are common to all three Persons oin the Trinity which are important. If one values those things that God values, one is saved —w/o ever knowing who God is. Of course they would never say anything against the Holy Spirit, the things God values, if they knew who He is. One does not even have to believe in the Trinity, or an afterlife...

34 posted on 08/18/2012 10:54:41 PM PDT by spunkets
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