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To: spunkets

“Paul does not grant salvation. God grants salvation and I pointed out what He said on the matter. He -God- specifically said works are required.”


God specifically said faith is required:

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those who do not believe are not “forgiven,” they are condemned from the beginning and remain so. No sinner who does not repent can ever be saved.


40 posted on 08/18/2012 11:10:57 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
"God specifically said faith is required:
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is John and the statement is not the fundamental governing statement on salvation, nor does it cover all possibilities. I pointed out what God said about the matter above, who are His sheep and that what He said on the matter is fundamental and covers all possibilities.

What you gave from John does not cover those folks that are considered the goats by God in Matt 25:41-46. It also doesn't cover what God said in Matthew 23:15 about "believers" — "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."

43 posted on 08/18/2012 11:24:56 PM PDT by spunkets
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