Posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by stpio
Christ was/is God. His humanity and his divine nature are forever intertwined. It was Christ, God and man who died on the Cross -- it was not the Father nor the Spirit, but God the Son who died on the Cross. It was not some man possessed by the spirit by God.
if we say Mary bore just the human nature, we are splitting the nature of Christ into two.
Mary bore God, not just a human "possesed by the spirit of God"
Mary was/is God's creation and it is a miracle and a sign of God's ability to humble Himself that He was borne by one of His creations.
ok, so what do you believe in?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is/was God and Man?
Do you believe that He is God with the Father and the Son? If not, what do you believe in?
I think it fits whichever audience he’s speaking to: Islam definitely; and with Christians, so many not taking the time to dissect the words themselves, and so many more not even knowing the subject.
You’re exactly correct, cc. Have a great day!
Hmm, that's odd. Googling Holy Ghost naughty seems to turn up repeated claims on Free Republic (it appears the first one was ever entertaining Tennessee Nana - strange that you are taking your education of Mormonism from her).
Maybe you should use this same Google, which you so fondly recommend, to look up what Mormons believe "state of probation" means. You might start in Alma 12. You will find it have nothing to do with having been naughty.
But then, you would lose one of your so-cool talking points, so I suspect you won't do that.
Primitive Christianity is a movement that attempts to practice the exact “faith once delivered to the Saints” (Jude 1:3). That is to say, the doctrines and practices that Jesus conveyed to the first apostles without changes, embellishment or contamination by people who thought they knew better.
Such Christians observe the same Sabbath that Jesus observed, they keep the same Holy Days that Jesus kept and no others and they do His commandments fully, not adding to them (Revelation 22:14). They would also utterly reject the observation of any syncretic days such as Halloween or Xmas.
see for example the book by Alan Knight, Primitive Christianity in Crisis.
Additionally, and more to your question, see:
Study Topic: Is God really a Trinity?
By John H. Ogwyn
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st.cgi?category=FalseReligion1&item=1116550111
Ok, so no Christmas or Easter and no Sunday Holy Day but Sabbath?
That is to say, the doctrines and practices that Jesus conveyed to the first apostles without changes, embellishment or contamination by people who thought they knew better. -- please clarify, do you mean also none of St. Paul's teachings?
Sorry, but since I have good friends who go to The Church of God, I knew they believed in the Trinity. See below
Declaration of Faith
The Church of God believes the whole Bible to be completely and equally inspired and that it is the written Word of God. The Church of God has adopted the following Declaration of Faith as its standard and official expression of its doctrine.
We Believe:
In the verbal inspiration of the Bible.
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In one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
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That Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father, conceived of the Holy Ghost, and born of the Virgin Mary. That Jesus was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. That He ascended to heaven and is today at the right hand of the Father as the Intercessor.
That all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that repentance is commanded of God for all and necessary for forgiveness of sins.
That justification, regeneration, and the new birth are wrought by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.
In sanctification subsequent to the new birth, through faith in the blood of Christ; through the Word, and by the Holy Ghost.
Holiness to be God’s standard of living for His people.
In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.
In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
In water baptism by immersion, and all who repent should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Divine healing is provided for all in the atonement.
In the Lord’s Supper and washing of the saints’ feet.
In the premillennial second coming of Jesus. First, to resurrect the righteous dead and to catch away the living saints to Him in the air. Second, to reign on the earth a thousand years.
In the bodily resurrection; eternal life for the righteous, and eternal punishment for the wicked.
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http://www.churchofgod.org/index.php/pages/declairation-of-faith
I am an Evangelical Christian who goes to an Evangelical Free Church.
My church believes that in the old testament, we did not have the inspired word of God, so prophets (seer) were needed. Today since we do have God's word, we no long need prophets, because we have the inspired Word of God directing us.
I understand various Catholic and protestant denominations believe in prophets of today. When I first became a Christian, I to attended one church that had prophets. When I studied God's word more, and did not let the prophet hold me hostage over what they said versus God's Word, I left. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but am curious as to what denominations believe in prophets. The church I attended relied more on the prophet than God's own word.
What I do know is that the Mormon's depend on seerers and change their doctrine according to what the seer (or is it seerer?) says.
Does anyone call the Jewish faith a "cult"
“There is NO trinity, but metaphors. “
Metaphors are simply “a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance...”
The Godhead is real.
Many instances in the Bible have more than one Person of the Godhead appearing at the same time. Metaphors do no appear - or have physical shapes or sounds.
You have some serious bad theology there FRiend.
Oh, TP,
Somehow you managed to pick one word out of a post about the 4 Mormon Earth Gods and focus it on a side comment... clearly acknowledging the truth of mormonism’s teaching about multiplying gods.
I’m more than willing to set aside the “probation” of the naughty spirit who didn’t qualify to get a body - a requisite for mormonic teaching about the path to godhood - but got in anyway.
The fact remains, mormonism is a perverted and bizarre theology of millions or billions or trillions of gods that breed in the heavens. None of which is true - nor Biblical.
That is the point of my post. Those are my “talking points”. Of course, mormons themselves would never describe the spirit as naughty. You knew that before you googled, I suspect.
Original question.
"Do you exercise the gifts of the Spirit?"
We all do if we pray. If your are talking about the 9 gifts of the Spirit? Yes.
1Corinthians 12
Speaking in tongues. Tongues meaning languages.
What happens is an unction and movement that you can vocalize. The unction you know is not you at first you can only bring this out. Why? The Holy Spirit is a perfect gentlemen. It is not to be boastful because it is a gift not earned. I am amazed at the abuses I see on people who say they practice this gift like they are above others.
Just simple pray is just as good in a humble simple mannered believer. "A humble and contrite heart he will not ignore."
When we just pray we are speaking in the spirit without a doubt in any style.
I hope this helps your question. May Christ richly bless us as we seek him in our lives everyday.
Freeper Cheers!
That right there sums it up.
Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. May the Lord reveal Himself to you in a bigger way. Be blessed.
I do not believe the Jewish faith is a cult.
Plurality of God in the Old Testament
Gen. 1:26, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’”
Angels do not create.
We are not made in the image of angels
There is no place in the OT where a leader refers to himself with the term “us.”
Gen. 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever -’”
Gen. 11:7, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen. 19:24, “Then the Lord [YHWH] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord [YHWH] out of heaven.”
Psalm 45:6-7, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom. 7Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee.”
This is quoted in Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.”
The Jehovah’s Witness Bible has it translated as “God is thy Throne forever and ever...” But, God would not be a throne for anyone. A king sits upon a throne and God sits on His throne, not anyone else on God as a throne.
Isaiah 6:8, “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!’”
Isaiah 48:16, “Come near to Me [God], listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
Amos 4:10-11, “I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11“I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord.”
“1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word”
It seems to be the sin of pride for the created Be Blessed that you were called, chosen and grafted in. All scripture was written by Jews.
Yah seems to relate to us as a man(Yah'shua) 1:1 בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ Does the Clay get to define the Potter ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
I don't think so.
See Isaiah 64 for illumination.
to define the creator in Anthropomorphic terms. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory
That seems to be a description of YHvH's Shekhinah.
and the exact representation of his being,
sustaining all things by his powerful word And the Word became flesh, and dwelt(tabernacled) among us.
The YHvH's Shekhinah filled the Tabernacle.
and as the Holy breath or Ru'ach: YHvH In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
There are seven words;
the servant lamp is Aleph and Tav
Those letters in Greek are Alpha and Omega.
Yah'shua said He was the Alpha and Omega.
I appreciate that, Uriel, but it doesn't change the fact that you rely on different words but believe the same scriptures.
I had an extended conversation with Buggman on this subject once upon a time, and it became clear to me that I would be mistaken were I to lump Buggman with anti-trinitarians.
He never tried to explain away the scriptures. He was very honest throughout. It was one reason I defended him against those ready to call messianism heretical for rejecting trinitarianism.
Jesus had a simple message and it was not loaded down with trinity stuff or anything else! I already wrote it and it is being promoted at the fhu.com....the church has fallen down and we are in the apostasy big time. For those who are aware, they see this clearly.
Seek YHvH in His WORD. Yah'shua is quoted in Peter's book written down by Mark:
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
NAsbU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is,
Yah'shua was confirming what He said in Deuteronomy
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH; NAsbU Deuteronomy 6:4
I assume you celebrate the Pagan days
"Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!
of christmas, easter and Sunday ?
Only one AMPU? where are all his other wives?
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