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To: unlearner
I do not know about the title of the thread but you are wrong about the Mother of God.

When we do not believe in the Mother of God. You are either confused believer or working on the wrong side.  Did you know you do not believe that Jesus had a Mother if you declare she is not the Mother of God.

Well we have a problem "Houston " .

If Jesus Christ is sinless like the Bible shows. We have to look at what makes Him sinless. We believe he is sinless because he never broke a commandment. Now what are the commandments. There are at least ten commandments beside six hundred thirteen mosaic laws. We know that God became man in Jesus Christ (1John4 ) according to Biblical evidence. Which this logic fits into a line of reasoning that can not be broken. He came by birth of a human female as told by the archangel Gabriel to Mary which puts her in the equation. If he is God by perfection meaning  spotless lamb equals sinless man Than the greatest commandment is as good as the least commandment if he is spotless. Because if one is not held up neither is he the Sinless Savoir.  

Also if he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow which was written after his gospel ( his birth and his resurrection)  accounts by the Apostles he is unchanged since this time.  Divinity in birth by woman equals a mother of his humanity and divinity (1John4)together in the human race. Which is what 1John4 is the test par none of the true Christ as The Apostle John points out. Since he is sinless not to go against any commandment as Savoir and God. He can not ignore or mean to dis honor his mother in the commandment for Mother and Father of a human.

Since he is human he has to obey the commandment of Honor your Father and Mother.  He can not ever and I mean ever slip in a deliberate act of dishonor to his parents. All the perfection and purity of God our Savoir falls if we believe otherwise. He being God to live for ever and ever is him being perfect in commandments observing for all eternity. We especially see he is the wounded/ slain lamb in the book of Revelation. Well for him to be wounded means he is still in the "cloth" of humanity. He is just as human as right after the resurrection and his ascension into heaven. Which means special favor on his parents. Whether we like it or not this commandment is for us to honor/ favor your mother.

If he is King his mother is special/ honor to him or he would be a liar thus not the sinless Savoir. He is not a liar.

The human mother of Jesus can not mean not of God because : Jesus in the flesh/human equals his fleshly Mother is indeed the Mother of God because of 1 John4.

You can not have this biblical reality deem otherwise then there is no true Christ without His Divinity having flesh which only came through a Mother. This is why Mary is the mother of God/ Divinity whether you like it or not. 

104 posted on 08/28/2012 12:01:16 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

I meant the prophecies not trinity.


106 posted on 08/28/2012 12:10:32 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

“You can not have this biblical reality deem otherwise then there is no true Christ without His Divinity having flesh which only came through a Mother. This is why Mary is the mother of God/ Divinity whether you like it or not. “

I do not intend to be rude or offensive, but I have never debated anyone in my whole life who uses semantics as the basis of an erroneous argument more than my Catholic friends. This argument is like describing a vehicle in an accident report as a “means of transportation”. Well a jet aircraft is a means of transportation. Can we be more specific? Should a judge need to ask whether you were hit by a plane, or pickup, sedan or motorcycle? Wouldn’t it be prudent to be specific with the relevant facts?

The fact is Mary never had and never will have anything to do with God’s existence. Yet the term “mother of God” implies such when “mother of Christ” specifically and accurately describes her role in the incarnation. She was not the mother of God the Father, nor of God the Holy Spirit but of the Son of God. This phrase Catholics use and promote is false because it conveys false information by it being too broad. The Bible does not use this term for a reason. Because it is not accurate.

The humanity and deity of Christ were intertwined and inseparable from His conception, yet His deity existed before that time and had none of its origin in Mary. Mary’s entire existence came from Him. His existence never at any time depended upon her, her cooperation, willingness, righteousness, or anything else some might claim she contributed. There is simply zero support for such an abominable doctrine within the scriptures. And there is plenty to contradict such ideas.

Yet Catholic clergymen continue to promote this abominable custom with the rosary and hail Mary’s. Look at Luke 4:41. Demons were crying out that Jesus is the Son of God. Was He? Yes. But He did not allow them to speak. Look at Acts 16:16-18. The demon-possessed slave-girl followed the apostles saying, “These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.” Was this true? Yes. But similarly Paul put a stop to it by casting out the evil spirit. Today, clergymen are promoting a grotesque mockery of the Biblical doctrine of the incarnation, encouraging empty repetition of things like “mother of God” which is a twisted doctrine turned into an abominable act of idolatry- something the real Mary would be grieved deeply over.

When a person dies they are no longer bound to familial human relations. Jesus affirmed this when the Sadducees asked about whose wife would a woman be in the resurrection. Paul also affirmed this in Romans when describing the bonds of marriage. He also wrote that those who previously knew Christ “after the flesh” no longer knew Him this way. His true identity had become fully revealed beginning at the transfiguration and then when He was seen by witnesses after His resurrection. So His family, including His mother, no longer had the same family relationship with Him. This is another reason why Jesus commended His mother into the care of John the disciple. He, even before then, explained that those who hear the word of God and keep it are His brother, sister and mother.

In spite of this simple truth, Catholic clergy are constantly guilty of leading their followers astray by encouraging prayers to Mary because she supposedly has some special access and privilege of influence now toward God. Prayers should be directed to God alone and not to the dead. They may not be dead toward God, but we are separated by their physical death until the resurrection. And if God allowed them to reply to such unholy practices they would answer the same as Samuel to Saul: “why have you disturbed me to bring me up?” These clergymen infer upon Mary divine abilities of being able to intercede for millions of earth-bound believers. This is something God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are able to do because they are God. That is, they constantly intercede for believers. No such claims are so much as hinted at for Mary or anyone else in the scriptures.

Read 2 Kings 18:3-6. God instructed Moses to make the brass serpent and for the Israelites to look on it to be healed. Yet Hezekiah had to destroy it because the people had burned incense to it. It had become an idol. The passage makes it clear that he pleased the Lord with his obedience, citing this as an example. Such is the case with Catholic icons. They are supposed to represent saints and characters of the Bible. But they have been constantly and repeatedly used in idolatrous fashions including burning incense to them, praying to them, and kneeling to them. These things are not merely done in secret but openly, publicly and with rhetorical defense by clergymen who approve of these abominations.

These things greatly provoke God’s wrath who will certainly visit it on those who do not repent of the wickedness of their idolatry. Anyone here defending this evil has been duly warned. I am pleading and begging for each of you to reconsider using the most forceful language I can because of what is at stake. There is no place for idolaters in the Heavenly kingdom, only the outer darkness awaits. See Revelation 22:15.


183 posted on 08/28/2012 8:32:06 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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