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To: unlearner

“neither BHO or Romney believe” [in Trinity]

“NOT EXACTLY true. They don’t believe in the traditional doctrine of the Trinity.

Romney believes he can become a god. Obama believes he already is a god.

I find it ironic this is being pointed out by a Catholic who doesn’t seem to have a problem with the DEIFICATION of Mary.”

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“not exactly true”....

Mormons and Muslims do not believe in the Trinity.

Love the mother, love the Son is a very wise statement. No Christian deifies Our Lord’s mother.


43 posted on 08/27/2012 7:56:06 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio

The notion that Catholics deify Mary, or worship her, or think she is the Savior, etc.—All these notions are the accusations of anti-Catholic bigots.

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Catechism of the Council of Trent from cover to cover, and you will not find a scintilla of a hint of a suggestion that the Catholic Church teaches any of these preposterous notions about Mary.


49 posted on 08/27/2012 8:00:21 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: stpio

“Love the mother, love the Son is a very wise statement. No Christian deifies Our Lord’s mother.”

My Bible equivalates honoring the Son with honoring the Father (1 John 2:22 and elsewhere). The Bible speaks a great deal about the Father and Son and Holy Spirit. It speaks very little about Mary.

Mary was the mother of Christ. Her maternal relationship was to Jesus Christ as a man. She is not the “mother of God” because Mary was created and finite. Jesus pre-existed before Mary was conceived and before she ever existed at all. To describe her otherwise is to introduce doctrinal confusion with semantics. Simply, Mary had nothing to do with Jesus’s claim to deity as He existed as God prior to Mary’s existence. His form as a man came chronologically and consequently to His birth by Mary. And even this choice was entirely on God’s behalf because God did not require Mary or any other person’s cooperation to accomplish the incarnation, as John said God is able to raise up seed to Abraham from stones.

Neither is Mary the mother of the Church, Christians or disciples. Jesus did commend Mary into the care of His youngest disciple (of the twelve) John to take His place as her earthly son. This interpretation is plainly supported by the next statement telling us she went to live with John. The Church, believers, disciples of Christ have one spiritual mother (no one has two mothers) - the Heavenly Jerusalem. “Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all...” - Galatians 4:26.

Neither does Mary exercise any particular or special authority over the church, and especially not over Christ. Recall, “woman, you must not tell me what to do.” This was not a disrespectful statement of Jesus toward His earthly mother. It was simply a stating of fact. Jesus was directed and under the authority of His Father - not an earthly father as Joseph represented, but God Himself. This is the same exact dilemma with which Jesus challenged His opponents to comprehend: how was the Messiah both David’s son and David’s Lord? Likewise, Jesus was Mary’s son, but this was on an earthly level. He was also and is also her Lord and Savior.

So I will not bow my knee to an image of her supposed likeness, nor invoke her name in my prayers, nor sing praises to her name. If she could be here in person today, she would cast dust on her head, rend her clothes, and sob great tears while imploring Catholics to stop this horrific disgrace upon her of using her as an idol. She would do so because she is a godly, holy woman who abhors idolatry. And just as the apostles and holy angels rejected such worship and adoration, she would reject it as well and tell us to worship her Son, our Creator, Savior and Lord of all. (See Acts 10:25,26 and 14:11-18; Revelation 19:10 and 22:8,9.)


91 posted on 08/27/2012 9:29:21 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: stpio
No Christian deifies Our Lord’s mother.

True. But Catholics do.
222 posted on 08/29/2012 1:59:36 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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