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To: imardmd1

“Figuratively, Christ’s body is on the earth, and we engage in the ordinance of the Remembrance Supper that recalls the Last Supper; with tokens which figuratively represent His Body and His Blood, just as they did then. The elements of that supper were not extensions of His Substance. He instructed the disciples to use this example to remember their last moments with him; and later, of the meaning of His Passion. We are to do the same as He did then, with ordinary bread artos, and unleavened juice of the cluster.

“By the which will* we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once** for all. ...
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of The God,
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” (Heb. 10:10,12-14)
* the second, New Covenant, ** a strengthened form of hapax”

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“Once for all” means Christ’s bloody suffering death on the Cross happened once. His “sacrifice” for mankind is represented to the Father every day and every hour around the world in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Read Revelation, the Mass on earth follows the Holy Liturgy in Heaven. It’s God’s plan, in Daniel and Malachi the Mass and the Holy Eucharist are prophesied. In Daniel, the “continual sacrifice”, this is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Eucharist is the “clean oblation” in Malachi. “Through His intercessory ministry in heaven and through the Mass, Jesus continues to offer Himself to His Father as a living sacrifice, and He does so in what the Church specifically states is “an unbloody manner.”

See below, how the KJV changes the verse, from the original. The Douay-Rheims is a word for word translation of Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1364 In the New Testament, the memorial takes on a new meaning. When the Church celebrates the Eucharist, she commemorates Christ’s Passover, and it is made present: the sacrifice Christ offered once for all on the cross remains every present. (Cf. Heb 7:25-27) As often as the sacrifice of the Cross by which ‘Christ our Pasch has been sacrifice’ is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out. (Lumen Gentium 3; cf. 1 Cor 5:7)

King James Version (KJV)

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a PURE OFFERING: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

Douay-Rheims http://www.drbo.org/

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a CLEAN OBLATION: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts


98 posted on 09/04/2012 7:35:04 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio
“Once for all” means Christ’s bloody suffering death on the Cross happened once.

"Once for all," a strengthened form of hapax means only once at all ever (Thayer's lexicon: epi, /D. in composition /1. continuance, rest, influence over any person or thing). That means, no resacrifice of any part of his body or blood, ever. His one sacrifice is never to repeated, because it was perfect, taking away all sin forever, and the persistently committed yielding of a human's trust in that sacrifice invokes graciously granted coverage for eternity under by that offering for his sinfulness and sins perpetrated, both at once, and for all time. Thus, like Martha, everlasting life (Jn. 11:25-27;). No resacrifice needed. Remembrance is an ordinance.

His “sacrifice” for mankind is represented to the Father every day and every hour around the world in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Literal or figurative?
Transubstantiation is a figment of a very active allegorizing imagination, whose explanations will not survive a literal historical hermeneutic for interpreting the event at Last Supper in its context, and most certainly not with the pattern of worship under the Aaronic priesthood, which is what the Roman liturgy is meant (IIRC) to continue.

It’s God’s plan, in Daniel and Malachi the Mass and the Holy Eucharist are prophesied. In Daniel, the “continual sacrifice”, this is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

In Daniel 9:27 my take on that is consistent with dispensational eschatology: When the bodies and persons of those saved in the age of churchianity are suddenly removed by the Lord and Redeemer claiming His Bride, the Man of Sin will be revealed, and he will permit the Temple to be rebuilt, and the resumption of the dead Jewish religions sacrifices that were ended after Tisha B'Av (70 Ad) until now. This the practice of animal sacrifices (oblations) that you and the patristics have allegorized into resacrificing Jesus daily. Not supported by a New Covenant Supper of Remembrance.

And summoning up the Malachi prophesy to fit the concept of continually resacrificing Christ wouldn;t seem to me to impress pagans. Such an application is a far reach, a clutching of straws in translation that abandons all NT context.

See below, how the KJV changes the verse, from the original. The Douay-Rheims is a word for word translation of Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.

Yep, an uninspired translation of an uninspired translation, not a literal grammatical interpretation of the original language. Though also uninspired, the AV does a little better--it follows the literal equivalency, standing nearer the original Hebrew on the agreement of several witnesses trained in the Hebrew and related languages. The AV English translation is accepted widely by Jewish scholars above modern versions. DRB not so authoritative, or well-received by Hebrew experts, IIRC.

No human brings Christ down from heaven on his demand (Rom. 10:6,7). When He is to come, no one knows but the Father.

Respecting The Sovereign, and His Word (Ps. 138:2)--

104 posted on 09/05/2012 10:40:36 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them NOT!)
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