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Do You Believe We Should Cast Out Demons Today?
Christian Post ^ | 09/11/2012 | John Piper

Posted on 09/11/2012 10:03:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The following is an edited transcript of the audio.

Do you believe in casting out demons? How would you go about it?

Rev. John Piper Answers:

I do, and I think there is a steady state, normal way to go about it from 2 Timothy 2:24-26. And I think occasionally there is what David Powlison would call an ekballistic form. David doesn't think that is the normal way to do ministry, and we may or may not see things eye to eye there.

So I would say, occasionally you see a manifestation of demonic power that is so in your face and so possessive and controlling of a person's life that an extraordinary intervention and exorcism is called for.

I've been involved in one in my life-only one. But I've read about others and it is much more common on the mission field, of course, where you are moving immediately into places where they are more explicitly demon-driven than we are explicitly demon-driven here. The steady state, ordinary way of bringing people out of the clutches of the devil is described in 2 Timothy 2 where it says, "Teach with gentleness, correct your opponents in love. God may perhaps grant them to repent and come to a knowledge of the truth and be delivered or escape from the power of the evil one who had taken them captive." That's a paraphrase. So clearly in that passage, teaching and love and patience and God's sovereignty-maybe he'll intervene-is the normal way that Timothy is being told to free people from the will and the bondage of the devil.

I don't think in order to be seriously engaged in spiritual warfare (where you are freeing people from the powers of the evil one), you have to do exorcisms week in and week out. You have to be a faithful, loving, humble, and repenting teacher-a lover of people. Satan is a liar and therefore he will not abide truth. He is a murderer, and therefore he will not abide love. So if you are a truth-giver and a deep, self-sacrificing lover, you will win.

That text from Revelation 12:11-"They overcame the devil by the blood of the lamb, for they loved not their lives even unto death"-what does that say? You overcome the devil by the gospel, by believing you are covered by the blood. You overcame by applying and teaching and preaching the blood of Christ, and then by being so sacrificially dedicated to people's lives that you are willing to die rather than run away from a situation. When that happens, when martyrs covered by the blood loving people happens, Satan is defeated.

So there are lots of ways, at least the three that I'm describing here. This teaching way, this self-sacrificing, gospel way, and this occasional exorcistic way.

Demons are real, Satan is real, and every pastor should do a serious study of the devil and of his ways and of demons, and decide how he is going to deal with that. Because there is an attack on the church in various forms all the time.


TOPICS: Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: demons; possession

1 posted on 09/11/2012 10:03:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
. But I've read about others and it is much more common on the mission field, of course, where you are moving immediately into places where they are more explicitly demon-driven than we are explicitly demon-driven here.

Possession vs. Oppression.

2 posted on 09/11/2012 10:09:25 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: frogjerk

I personally am going to try to cast out a bunch of demons come November.


3 posted on 09/11/2012 10:12:39 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, starting with the WH and working our way down to dogcatcher.


4 posted on 09/11/2012 10:13:30 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: fella
I personally am going to try to cast out a bunch of demons come November.

Seriously, some you are going to cast out are probably oppressed evidenced by the extreme views they hold.

5 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting.. Two posts on this topic this morning by two different sources and posters.

Must be becoming a “hot” topic!


6 posted on 09/11/2012 10:16:12 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Zer0 a Demon? /rhet


7 posted on 09/11/2012 10:19:02 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

“Demons are real, Satan is real, and every pastor should do a serious study of the devil and of his ways and of demons, and decide how he is going to deal with that. Because there is an attack on the church in various forms all the time.”

And every pastor who looks for demons in others should first look within themselves.

Lack of awareness of their existence is their greatest tool of influence.


8 posted on 09/11/2012 10:19:26 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Paladin2

Obama may be the anti-Christ himself. Well...either him or Hillary Clinton.


9 posted on 09/11/2012 10:21:12 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s one possessing 1600 Penn ave right now!


10 posted on 09/11/2012 10:21:28 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have seen it. I am somewhat reluctant to talk about it, because I am am unworthy nobody, and what happened was all of God’s grace. But it is real, and it is true that faith as small as a mustard seed will give you a front row seat to the display of God’s power.


11 posted on 09/11/2012 10:24:49 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Paladin2

12 posted on 09/11/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: SeekAndFind

Um, ... nah! Let’s just let’em continue to torment people .... ?

Of course!


13 posted on 09/11/2012 10:26:02 AM PDT by proud_2_B_texasgal
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To: Salamander

I KNEW there was a reason 0bama removed all the mirrors from the WH. I did.


14 posted on 09/11/2012 10:27:54 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

http://testallthings.com/2009/05/20/the-false-gospel-of-john-piper/

http://standingfortruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/john-piper-falls-deeper-into-the-pit/

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/john-piper.htm


15 posted on 09/11/2012 10:29:16 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: kosciusko51

bttt


16 posted on 09/11/2012 10:29:40 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: SeekAndFind

Does it work? At the height of the Catholic sex-abuse scandal (1978), an exorcist was made Pope. Before the news media and lawyers caught wind of what was happening, the abuse rates had plummeted more than 97% (1990). His successor (2005) is also an exorcist, a mind-boggling coincidence, if not deliberate.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 10:35:29 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SVTCobra03

Oh, boy, not the Arminian (God is not sovereign) vs. Calvinist (God is sovereign) controversy again.


18 posted on 09/11/2012 10:36:45 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: SVTCobra03

The third site in your list says this :

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One of the biggest and worst lies ever told in manmade Christianity, one that John Piper subscribes to and teaches, is that there is a place of interminable torment and punishment for sinners. Men think to find this doctrine in the Bible, but while it is something the carnal man would wish on others, it is surely not something God has ever said or that ever entered into His mind. He made creation as an act of His love. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son for it. We are His, bought and paid for by His blood.

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Looks like that site does not believe God allows people to go to hell... who is the heretic really?


19 posted on 09/11/2012 10:36:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

mark 16:17 and these signs shall follow them that believe; they shall cast out demons..

luke 6:41 and why beholdest the splinter in your brother’s eye, yet see not the plank in thine own


20 posted on 09/11/2012 10:40:40 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

the greatest lie the devil ever conceived, was convincing the world he didn’t exist.


21 posted on 09/11/2012 10:49:03 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not today. November 7th.


22 posted on 09/11/2012 10:56:06 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1331 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: ZX12R

I don’t think the AC is a sitting US Prez because of the Scripture - but fwiw, lot of odd stuff surrounding this guy. Weird - just follow the links. I can’t link directly to the lottery results so you have to select 2008. Just odd stuff.


Abbas was the first foreign leader he called from the WH after taking office - for a Pali state, dividing Israel.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2169189/posts

http://tinyurl.com/86689ls


Illinois lottery hit 666 the exact same day CNN called the junior senator from Illinois “president of the world”. Bizarre coincidences.

11/05/2008: CNN: Barack Obama is ‘President of the world’

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/international.press.reaction/

11/05/2008: Evening Pick 3 6-6-6

http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/winning-number-search-year.html


Obama’s armored Cadillac is called “the beast”

The same name the Bible gives the Antichrist

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:4&version=KJV

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45376000/jpg/_45376603_cadillac_466.jpg


Antichrist will confirm a seven-year false peace with Israel which divides the land of Israel

http://youtu.be/e6HF_8axllQ?t=38s

(The video is titled “End Times in the Words of Jesus” and you can find it at Amazon in VHS and DVD format).


23 posted on 09/11/2012 11:18:42 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

That is interesting, and you’re right, very odd.


24 posted on 09/11/2012 11:33:14 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R
Really bizarre stuff surrounding this dude. Before 2004 most people never heard of him. And then starting in 2008 suddenly the whole world worships this guy. Shows how prepped the world is for the Antichrist.




25 posted on 09/11/2012 12:37:49 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SeekAndFind; Springfield Reformer; zot; SeraphimApprentice

First connect upward to our Lord and to Jesus. 2nd, ask for angels to be sent to the person who has spirits/demons attached to requesting the removal, conversion, of those spirits; 3rd, ensure that you don’t make a direct connection to the person. Praying for the rescue/conversion of the spirit/demon, not necessarily throwing out, which will be resisted mightly.

Where is the other article that was posted today?


26 posted on 09/11/2012 6:37:16 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Exorcism boom in Poland sees magazine launch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2929343/posts


27 posted on 09/11/2012 7:15:33 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Yes, I do believe we should cast out demons today.


28 posted on 09/11/2012 10:02:46 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

The situation I was in was not that complicated. I just said what I said in Jesus’ name and God took care of the paperwork. Instant response. Never saw anything like it, before or since. The individual was totally transformed, asked me minutes later how to become a Christian. To this day it still amazes me how God intervened so aggressively, as though he would have used any flimsy excuse for a Christian just to reach and release this person. He is truly an awesome God.


29 posted on 09/12/2012 12:00:49 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Yea, verily.


30 posted on 09/12/2012 1:09:30 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: kosciusko51

“Oh, boy, not the Arminian (God is not sovereign) vs. Calvinist (God is sovereign) controversy again.”

What post were you referring to?


31 posted on 09/12/2012 1:39:29 PM PDT by Augustinian monk ("I don't read books, but if I did, I would read the bible")
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To: Augustinian monk
The links on Post 15.
32 posted on 09/12/2012 2:12:41 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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