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Abp Chaput on voting for Obama: ‘I certainly can’t vote for somebody who’s pro-choice’
LifeSite News ^ | September 17, 2012 | Patrick B. Craine

Posted on 09/17/2012 11:38:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: A.A. Cunningham

The only times the democrats won the Protestant vote was in 1932, 1936, and 1964.

The Protestant vote doesn’t go democrat.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 1:10:24 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
A big difference is that the Protestant vote always goes pro-life, including in 2008, and when getting into various denominations the differences are astounding.

The Protestant vote always goes Republican. You're telling us that Protestants who traditionally vote Republican do so principally because of the Republican candidate's position on abortion?

Is that what you're calling the "pro-life vote"?

Or are you saying that a Protestant who votes Republican because he prefers lower taxes and smaller government is making "a pro-life vote"?

22 posted on 09/17/2012 1:12:04 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

My point is that the Catholic vote matches up with Catholic politics, the Catholic voter is more pro-abortion, and homosexual marriage than the Protestant voter. That is why they vote for the democrat party.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 1:14:38 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
You know who votes Republican a higher percentage than Protestants? Mormons. I suggest you convert to Mormonism.

Enjoy the underwear, you pest.

24 posted on 09/17/2012 1:16:00 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

You compared the Mormon cult vote to all things called Protestant.

Now compare that strongly authoritative/single leader cult vote to strongly authoritative/single leader Catholic voters and none authoritative/no leader, Southern Baptists.


25 posted on 09/17/2012 1:20:32 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: marshmallow

You think that social conservatives vote democrat? That is absurd.

Social liberals vote democrat, social conservatives vote republican, that is why Romney is causing problems with the republican Protestant base, (by the way, he will do better with Catholics).


26 posted on 09/17/2012 1:23:19 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ArrogantBustard
Oh, yes. I almost forgot: RCIA.

They wrote a book, you know:

27 posted on 09/17/2012 1:25:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: ansel12
You used the term "pro-life vote". As in...."the Protestant vote always goes pro-life". The Protestant vote goes Republican.

In 1952, there was no pro-life candidate. Abortion was illegal, it was not an issue and nobody was talking about legalizing it.

You're claiming that those Protestants who voted for Eisenhower were voting "pro-life"?? Likewise for Nixon in '68?

Is that your definition of a "pro-life vote". Even when abortion is not an issue?

28 posted on 09/17/2012 1:32:48 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: ansel12

“A big difference is that the Protestant vote always goes pro-life, including in 2008, and when getting into various denominations the differences are astounding.”

Depends very much on the denomination. Baptists do not vote the same way as Episcopalians. We should call out those denominations which do vote prolife and distinguish them from denominations that do not do so.


29 posted on 09/17/2012 1:41:28 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: OldGoatCPO; A.A. Cunningham; pgkdan
Easy there folks...I have been paying attention. The outcry against Obama from the Catholic Church in 2008 was NOT at the same level it is for this election.

My apologies if that point was not made clear in my first post.

There are many folks at church who were for Obama in 2008, even though they knew of his position on abortion, who will not vote for him now. The only thing that has changed since then is the HHS mandate and the USCCB’s opposition to it.

Again, it is just my opinion, but I am of the belief that if the USCCB had come out this forcefully against Obama in 2008, we might be in a different position today.

30 posted on 09/17/2012 1:52:40 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: JCBreckenridge

You are absolutely correct, and people should stop comparing the single denomination Catholic vote with all other churches collectively.

The two largest churches in America are the Catholic, and the Southern Baptist for instance, I imagine that Southern Baptists get tired of their good, pro-life voting being lumped in with other denominations.

It is powerful though, that as incredibly diverse the catch phrase Protestant is, that it still is to the right of Catholics.

As far as calling them out, there are so few of the liberal Protestant church members here at FR, and the few that we do have are fully on board with conservatism, they never defend their churches liberalism, or deny that their denomination votes democrat, if it does.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 1:58:49 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Sergio

Let us hope that Cardinal Dolan does not kiss Obama’s ring at the Al Smith Dinner.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 2:02:52 PM PDT by ardara
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To: JCBreckenridge; marshmallow

JCBreckenridge after you read post 31, then read post 28 for an example of what I was saying.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 2:04:02 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

“It is powerful though, that as incredibly diverse the catch phrase Protestant is, that it still is to the right of Catholics.

As far as calling them out, there are so few of the liberal Protestant church members here at FR, and the few that we do have are fully on board with conservatism, they never defend their churches liberalism, or deny that their denomination votes democrat, if it does.”

If you’re willing to call out Catholics, than you should also be willing to call out Episcopalians. Some of us left these denominations and get irritated with the constant praise for ‘protestants’.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 2:04:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

As I said.

“”As far as calling them out, there are so few of the liberal Protestant church members here at FR, and the few that we do have are fully on board with conservatism, they never defend their churches liberalism, or deny that their denomination votes democrat, if it does.””

We don’t have many Episcopalians here at FR, if any, how do we call them out, ask for their help in winning conservative votes, in fighting immigration, in stopping the importation of tens of millions of liberal, democrat voting Episcopalians into America?


35 posted on 09/17/2012 2:17:15 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

That’s a double standard. :)

But, then, we already knew that to be the case.

Why are you giving cover to liberals?


36 posted on 09/17/2012 2:22:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Until you make some sense, I can’t know what you are trying to say.

What is your question?


37 posted on 09/17/2012 2:35:53 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Two thirds of the Protestants I know, many of whom I've known for decades, stay home and don't even vote.

What they belive doesn't matter. They sit out elections because they don't think Christians should care about politics, they think the rapture is just around the corner so it doesn't matter, or they think neither candidate isn't perfect enough for them to vote for. It must not be just the folks I know, either, because if two thirds of those who claim to be Protestant Christians gave a damn enough to vote rather than whine we'd have never had King Barry in the first place.

38 posted on 09/17/2012 2:54:34 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin; ansel12
What they belive doesn't matter. They sit out elections because they don't think Christians should care about politics, they think the rapture is just around the corner so it doesn't matter, or they think neither candidate isn't perfect enough for them to vote for. It must not be just the folks I know, either, because if two thirds of those who claim to be Protestant Christians gave a damn enough to vote rather than whine we'd have never had King Barry in the first place.

What does that say about the Catholics who claim they make up 20-35% (depending on who you ask) of the USA? Are they responsible for voting Barry in?

39 posted on 09/17/2012 3:02:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: ansel12

Why do you have one standard for Catholics and another standard for Episcopalians?

I’ve been both. Believe me, Catholics are far more conservative than Episcopalians.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 3:02:26 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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