Posted on 09/21/2012 7:00:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
....The Lombards, a pagan tribe who moved into northern Italy in the late sixth century, gradually converted to Christianity, grew powerful and began to tax the Roman citizenry. In 752 pope Stephen II travelled north and appealed to Pepin the Short, king of the Franks, to save Rome from the Lombards using the “Donation of Constantine”, a document claiming Constantine had given his palace and extensive territories to the pope. Pepin, having routed the Lombards, handed all the conquered lands to the pope; thus began the papal states....
....At the time of the unification of Italy in 1870 the papal states stretched from Rome across to the Adriatic Sea and north to the river Po. Jesus Christ might have said “my kingdom is not of this world”, but Pius 1X ordered a military defence of the papal states, shedding the blood of many, including Irish soldiers recruited by the Irish bishops, precisely because he could not function as vicar of Christ unless he had an earthly kingdom. After unification, the new Italian parliament guaranteed the independence of the Holy See and offered compensation for lost territories, but Pius IX rejected the offer. In 1929 the Vatican state was set up by agreement between Mussolini and pope Pius XI, and Italy compensated it for the lost papal states.
Jesus Christ never intended that the Church he instituted be a democracy. If this author is supposedly Catholic then he is a heretic and should be excommunicated.
"One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic..."
That's without trying
Written by a retired priest in Ireland.
Like contemporary justice for Anders Behring Breivik - 21 years for killing 93 people. A little over 2 months per life.
“To do so, it is necessary to go back to AD313 when the Roman emperor, Constantine, legitimised Christianity but left Rome shortly afterwards for a new capital in present day Turkey, Constantinople. Gradually the pope stepped into the power vacuum in the West and rapidly acquired land and wealth.”
This is the first time I have heard a Catholic say this. But leave it to the Irish! They enjoyed Christianity for a long time before Catholicism took over the island. I pray that they do again.
or modern “rights” as the right to gay marriage,
or the right to have a late-term abortion.
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probably the author thinks the Church should give
more support to “social justice”.
the religion of socialism, will cure all the evils
of the world...
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“Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic.” Pope Benedict XVI
A “retarded” priest, that isn’t nice. j/k
He’s talking about the origin of the Vatican state, not the origin of the Catholic church.
Reality check: Ireland was converted by St. Patrick, who went to Ireland with a papal commission to preach the Gospel to the Irish.
The Catholic Faith existed in Jerusalem and Antioch --- where Peter exercised leadership in these Apostolic communities ---before he finally arrived in Rome where he was imprisoned and martyred; the Church existed for several centuries before its administrative center/patriarchal see was called "the Vatican"; it existed during the seven papacies ---- 65 years --- when it was administered from Avignon in France; it will exist if the Vatican, and all of Italy, and all of Christ-abandoning Eurabia, were vaporized in an atomic blast.
It can be a tricky thing to disentangle, but the primacy of Peter, the Petrine ministry of "strengthening the brethren," and the Church founded on the rock of Peter, are distinguishable from the geographic/quasi-state/diplomatic entity, temporarily housing certain aspects of Church administration, and known, often confusingly, as "the Vatican."
Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia!
Ecclesia semper Reformanda!
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They enjoyed Christianity for a long time before Catholicism took over the island.
Reality check: Ireland was converted by St. Patrick, who went to Ireland with a papal commission to preach the Gospel to the Irish.
Right. But he was not Catholic, nor did he preach Roman Catholic doctrine. That is not true that he went by papal commission.
“He’s talking about the origin of the Vatican state, not the origin of the Catholic church.”
Same thing.
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“This contradicts the model of church in the Acts of the Apostles.”
If the author knows this he knows that so much more also, “..contradicts the model of church in the Acts of the Apostles.”
Having a priesthood/laity, crusades against “heretics”, wars defending a papal state.
There was an old thread that suggested that the original Irish church was much more like an Eastern Orthodox church than (for lack of a better term) a western Roman Catholic church. The style of monk's hair cut, calculation of Easter (Pascha), and some of their views on original sin were much closer to what the Orthodox believed than the Roman Catholics.
But, as with all things from that period, we are dealing non sympathetic records from over a thousand years ago. The wars were more than likely fought for secular reasons, and given a religious sheen later, and the English were never known to be very sympathetic to Irish concerns.
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