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To: Alex Murphy
...nowhere in our creed do we profess a belief in the Vatican state.

"One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic..."

That's without trying

3 posted on 09/21/2012 7:11:49 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan; frogjerk; Alex Murphy
But it's true that the Vatican "state" (as distinguished from the See of Peter) is not essential to the Catholic Faith.

The Catholic Faith existed in Jerusalem and Antioch --- where Peter exercised leadership in these Apostolic communities ---before he finally arrived in Rome where he was imprisoned and martyred; the Church existed for several centuries before its administrative center/patriarchal see was called "the Vatican"; it existed during the seven papacies ---- 65 years --- when it was administered from Avignon in France; it will exist if the Vatican, and all of Italy, and all of Christ-abandoning Eurabia, were vaporized in an atomic blast.

It can be a tricky thing to disentangle, but the primacy of Peter, the Petrine ministry of "strengthening the brethren," and the Church founded on the rock of Peter, are distinguishable from the geographic/quasi-state/diplomatic entity, temporarily housing certain aspects of Church administration, and known, often confusingly, as "the Vatican."

Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia!

Ecclesia semper Reformanda!

14 posted on 09/21/2012 7:41:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy it is, the more Catholic it is.)
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