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To: scbison
I'm sorry, Scbison, but you are not correct on this.

The Declaration of Independence specifically cites that our rights come from God. The Founders were very particular on that point, because it assured that any government was subject to the authority of God.

The State is comprised of people; fallible, whimsical people. Our rights are an integral component of our humanity. The State cannot strip of us our rights, since they are God-given. The State can only actively force or passively coerce us into not exercising them. People-driven (or State granted) rights are not rights at all; they are privileges.

This is NOT what the Founders intended or designed for America.

History clearly shows that whenever a people reach a certain point of oppression, where working within the system does not achieve happiness or when freedoms are seriously broached, the people will rise up. This is a universal trait of humanity. The Founders were looking for an authority higher than any on Earth as justification for rising up - they chose God.

36 posted on 09/25/2012 8:28:50 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: TheWriterTX

Yes, Declaration of Independence cites our rights come from our Creator but not specifically the Triune God and specifically Christ. If the founders wanted this to be a christian nation, you would think they wouldhave specifically mentioned Christ in founding documents but they didn’t. Got to remember there were Christians, Jews, Deists, masons that were founding fathers and they all had defition of who God but they never specifically defined who God was. Also many founders were Masons, which is a univeralists form of a relgion and denies the deity of Christ. Hard to argue that this was founded as Christian when many of the founders belonged a non Christian religion. Obviously there many good Christians in the founding and had a alot of influence and still have influence today.. Like I said, we were never founded as Christian but a nation that was influnced by many christians.


39 posted on 09/25/2012 9:00:25 PM PDT by scbison
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