Dozens injured, thousands confused by riots over "Gospel of Jesus' Wife"

Catholic World Report ^ | September 26, 2012 | Nick Bottom

[annalex]

OK, good question. Indeed we Catholics do not have the same disdain for the Eastern Orthodox that we have for the Protestants. That is because, while we disagree here and there we do not disagree on any dogmatic theology. We disagree on practices. That is fine. The Church has always been a theological whole of different local churches; this is a part of the meaning of Catholic. The Orthodox are a group of Catholic in theology local churches that, like it or not, do not have administrative union with the Bishop of Rome the Pope.

As opposed to this state of affairs we believe, -- both Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox -- that the Protestant dogmatic distinctions from both of us: the belief in the Bible alone as a rule of faith, the believe in salvation accomplished once in one's life time through declarative faith alone, the belief in accidental rather than efficacious nature of the sacraments of the Church (signs without grace) and derived from that anti-clericalism - are all results of ignorance of the Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ and are leading people away from salvation. You, Protestants, should all convert to a true Church, -- Roman Catholic preferably, but if you feel too much hostility in your hearts to this sacred institution, you should then convert to any Orthodox Church and that will put you in the road to salvation just as good as the Roman Catholic Church.

Now that we are clear where these three branches of Christianity stand, let me comment on the particular disciplines you mention.

Purgatory: The Orthodox also pray for the dead and believe that the soul fortunate enough to be saved goes through certain stages, likened in the Orthodox theology to toll houses. The Orthodox are opposed to the dogmatic teaching on the Purgatory and especially to the popular idea of purgatorial suffering through physical fire, and of determined duration, but they are not opposed to the belief in certain process of purification of the saved after death itself and their opposition to the Catholic views is often a result of unfamiliarity with what the Catholic Church actually teaches on the Purgatory (on that, they often go by Protestant caricature of the Catholic belief).

Celibacy. A married man can be ordained an Orthodox priest, if it is his first marriage to an Orthodox woman. Such priest, however, may not become a bishop. If his wife dies, he may not remarry. Bishops can only be consecrated from celibate priests. The difference that exists on the level of parish priests is that of discipline not of theological substance. About nuns and monks, see next.

"Priests and nuns". What is that supposed to mean? The Orthodox most certainly have priests (men ordained to offer the Holy Eucharist, hear confessions, etc.); bishops (called in the East patriarchs) -- priests who also can consecrate other priests and other bishops, and have an apostolic succession to the same Apostolic College that we do; they also have monks and nuns.

See Wiki/Orthodox Church.

Thank you for your post. If you have questions or further comments, please respond.

[sasportas]

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of some of that. Having had little interface with Orthodox, much of my info comes from “Orthodox and Catholic” youtube videos. The general tone of the Orthodox voice overs isn’t nearly as accomodative as you make it, however. Particularly the Primacy of the Pope and the proceeding of the Holy Ghost from Father (the Latin name for it escapes me).

Apparently they adhere much more closely to the LXX than Rome, claiming their eastern Greek scriptural tradition more accurate than the Latin. Makes sense, as Christianity arose in the east, not Rome.

[annalex]

Yes, you are largely correct:

— We Roman Catholics do not consider the issue of the procession of the Holy Spirit also from the Son ( “Filioque” in Latin) divisive because we both understand that the procession is from the Father and then THROUGH the Son. The Orthodox in general like to emphasize their differences with us, and we consider their position acceptable. I am speaking from the Roman Catholic position; you can easily find an Orthodox authority that would consider the Roman Catholics barely distinguishable from the Protestants.
— The Orthodox are fine with the primacy of the Pope (we were, after all an undivided Church for 10 centuries under popes who are also Orthodox saints); their objection is with papal supremacy and infallibility. But that is, at the most a question of local (to the Western Church) belief from the Orthodox perspective.
— The Greek naturally use the Greek originals, including the Septuagint. The Russians got their translations basically from the Greeks. But this is a difference of preference, our understanding of the Old Testament is based on both linguistic traditions anyway. Despite reliance on the Septuagint, the Russians agree with the Protestants in considering the Deuterocanonicals outside their Old Testament Canon.
— There is also a subtle difference in the concept of Original Sin, which the Orthodox prefer to call Ancestral Sin and they think we confuse Original Sin with actual sin.

All these are not distinctions we Romans cannot live with.

[21twelve]

“Liars say he had a wife.
Liars deserve to taste the knife.”

Too bad they aren’t really protesting - that chant is catchy!