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Biden vs. Ryan VP Debate to Present Two Different Catholic Worldviews
Christian Post ^ | 10/09/2012 | By Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 10/09/2012 12:40:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Thursday's vice presidential debate between Vice President Joe Biden and Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan at Centre College in Danville, Ky., will focus on domestic and foreign policy issues, while also pitting one self-professed Catholic against another.

The vice presidential debate follows last week's first presidential debate that was focused on the economy, where most critics agreed that GOP candidate Mitt Romney held the edge over President Barack Obama. Many have suggested that this is now Biden's opportunity to push the Obama campaign back on track, and even Ryan has said he expects Biden to launch a fierce attack against him. "Because they had such a bad debate, Joe Biden is just going to come flying at us," the congressman said, adding that he expects the VP to go after him "like a cannon ball."

"It seems pretty clear that their new strategy is just basically to call us liars, to descend down into a mud pit, and hopefully with enough mudslinging back and forth – and distortion – people get demoralized and they can win by default," Ryan added.

Biden, on the other hand, is said to be preparing for his debate against Ryan much like an NFL team would prepare for a critical game, studying his opponent's past speeches using tapes, and preparing a pointed strategy. "I think he was a little taken aback at the brazenness with which Gov. Romney walked away from so many of the positions on which he's run, walked away from his record," Obama campaign senior adviser David Axelrod commented, who is also helping Biden prepare for the VP debate.

"Vice President Biden is used to this. He's been in public life a long time and he's used to debates. Look, I think he just has to go out there and prosecute the same case the president was prosecuting," Obama campaign senior adviser Robert Gibbs added.

Observers are mostly expecting a close debate that will touch on various issues – and viewers are likely to be interested to see how the Obama campaign responds to the fallout over the presidential debate last week.

"A lot of people will be tuning in to see how Vice President Biden tries to make up for the president's belly flop last week," commented CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jessica Yellin.

A CNN/ORC International poll projected that 55 percent of likely voters believe Ryan will do better in the debate, while 39 percent said they are expecting a Biden win. Two Very Different Roman Catholic Worldviews to Collide? The vice presidential candidates' division in worldviews is also readily evident in the different representations they hold of their faith. While both men profess to be Roman Catholic, they stand on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to some of the most talked-about issues that have divided America for many years.

Much like the official Roman Catholic position, and the GOP platform which he represents, Ryan defends the traditional definition of marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

"The things you talk about, like traditional marriage and family and entrepreneurship, these aren't values that are indicative to any one person or race or creed or color. These are American values, these are universal human values," Ryan said at a town hall meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio, earlier in September.

The Wisconsin congressman is also staunchly pro-life – he has said he is opposed to abortion in all forms, even in cases of rape and incest, which differs from the stance of Romney, who is supportive of such exemptions.

Biden has also stood by his party's official platform, which is both in favor of same-sex marriage and abortion. "I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual men marrying women are entitled to the same exact rights. All the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly I don't see much of a distinction beyond that," Biden said in May, which some observers said forced President Obama to speak out and clarify his own stance on same-sex marriage, which he eventually expressed support for.

Despite going against official Roman Catholic Church doctrine, Biden's stance may be seen to mirror more closely American Catholics' split opinions on the issue. A 2009 Gallup report highlighted that division, noting that although 40 percent of U.S. Catholics support abortion, or pro-choice views, a slight majority, or 54 percent, are also supportive of homosexuality.

Biden has also described himself as a "social justice" Catholic who connects with blue-collar Democratic Catholics, while Ryan's proposed budget cuts that threaten social programs for the needy have been panned by observers questioning how his plan aligns with the Roman Catholic teachings to help the poor.

"The Ryan budget does not address debt nor fiscal responsibility. What it does is take care of the very wealthy at the risk of the middle class and people who are poor. That is contrary to Catholic teaching," commented Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut.

"Those principles are very, very important," Ryan said in defense of his plan. "And the preferential option for the poor, which is one of the primary tenets of Catholic social teaching, means don't keep people poor, don't make people dependent on government so that they stay stuck at their station in life; help people get out of poverty, out into a life of independence."

The vice presidential debate is on Thursday at 9:00 p.m. EST and will be moderated by Martha Raddatz, ABC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; biden; catholic; catholicvote; religiousleft; ryan

1 posted on 10/09/2012 12:40:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s only one Catholic worldview and Biden has not even a passing acquaintance with it.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 12:41:59 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
..... to the same exact rights. All the civil rights, all the civil liberties..

I for one am stunned... I did not realize gay people were denied the right to free speach, religion, guns, unreasonable search, due process and a speedy trail..

3 posted on 10/09/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Biden world view is that envy, jealousy, covetousness, bitterness and theft are a-ok. Oh, yeah, throw in infanticide and sodomy.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 12:52:09 PM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Biden and most of the left seems to think that their belief in redistribution (”forced charity”) to care for the poor more than adequately counters their beliefs in abortion and that gays should be allowed to marry. To my knowledge, that’s not being Catholic.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 1:08:31 PM PDT by JeffChrz (What is in the president's college transcripts that he's trying to hide?)
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To: pgkdan

“There’s only one Catholic worldview and Biden has not even a passing acquaintance with it.”

Exactly!

There seems to be a failure to acknowledge the Protestants who have simply refused to admit their departure from the Church.


6 posted on 10/09/2012 1:10:35 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why haven't “Plugs” Biden and Nancy Pelosi (and others like now deceased Teddy Kennedy) been excommunicated from the Catholic Church? They are/were CINO’s at best and socialists/Marxists at worst (and those still breathing still are).
7 posted on 10/09/2012 1:16:35 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: SeekAndFind

Ryan is more Catholic than the Pope and Biden is a complete fraud.

My guess is the moderator will try and use abortion to throw it to Biden.


8 posted on 10/09/2012 1:27:54 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: G Larry

Don’t know what you are saying there.


9 posted on 10/09/2012 1:30:02 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob

If you “protest” the teachings of the Catholic Church, you LEAVE, and become a “Protestant”.

You don’t stay and pretend you are still a member.


10 posted on 10/09/2012 2:08:15 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

Biden does represent the majority of the Catholic voters, and Ryan represents the majority of the Protestant voters.


11 posted on 10/09/2012 2:27:37 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: MasterGunner01
"Why haven't “Plugs” Biden and Nancy Pelosi (and others like now deceased Teddy Kennedy) been excommunicated from the Catholic Church?"

They have been. Catholic excommunication can take two forms: "ferendae sententiae" which is incurred only when imposed by a legitimate superior or declared as the sentence of an ecclesiastical court) and "latae sententiae" which automatically incurred at the moment of committing the offense for which canon law imposes that penalty. Biden, Pelosi, Kennedy and many, many other public and private "Catholics" have excommunicated themselves. The pity is that they are not already widely recognized and acknowledged as excommunicated Catholics.

Note that excommunication is not intended to be a punishment, but rather a medicinal penalty whose purpose is to encourage sinners to repent. The final judgment and Salvation are reserved only to God.

Peace be with you.

12 posted on 10/09/2012 2:34:02 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Fixing the title

Biden (Excommunicated CINO) vs. Ryan (REAL Catholic) VP Debate to Present Two Different Worldviews

13 posted on 10/09/2012 2:43:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MasterGunner01

In his own diocese, Biden has been excommunicated. It has to happen in the diocese in which they live.


14 posted on 10/09/2012 2:46:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12
"Biden does represent the majority of the Catholic voters, and Ryan represents the majority of the Protestant voters."

One only wonders what will be the subject of your anti-Catholic rants beginning on November 7th....

15 posted on 10/09/2012 2:47:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

Making a personal attack as you did is not explainable, but try to stay focused on the actual posts.

The single sentence in post 11 was neither a rant, nor anti-Catholic.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 3:20:30 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation

Scranton? Praise God. I missed that. Do you have the details?


17 posted on 10/09/2012 3:36:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interrogation.)
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To: G Larry

OK, but what does that have to do with Crazy Joe and Ryan.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 3:42:50 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m repeating what I read on another thread. Let me see if I can do the research here.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 3:49:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

Not true.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 3:51:05 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I guess it was the Denver bishop who told him not to receive Communion — not his local one.

My mistake. But at least it’s getting out there.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=biden+excommunicated+by+bishop&fr=sfp&fr2=&iscqry=


21 posted on 10/09/2012 3:52:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ann Archy

Based on a 100 years of voting data, it is true.

Ryan is a republican and Biden is a democrat.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 3:55:04 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation
I did not know this. I wonder how many American Catholics know this? I think that these politicians who, by their deeds, are trying to destroy the Church need to be publicly “outed” for the scum they are.
23 posted on 10/09/2012 4:06:55 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: ansel12
"Making a personal attack as you did is not explainable, but try to stay focused on the actual posts."

We have been through this often enough for me to recognize your flawed presumptions as an attack. However, my single sentence comment was not an attack, but rather was an inquiry predicated by the one string banjo you have been plunking in these forums for years. That said, would you care to comment on what the focus of your anti-Catholicism will take when you can no longer blame the state of the nation what you consider to be Catholic voters? Will you ever be able to bring yourself to thank Catholics for the margin of victory this November or will you continue to try to hang every failure of the Romney presidency on the Catholics who voted for him? (Those of us who frequent these threads already know the answer.)

24 posted on 10/09/2012 4:39:23 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law; moder_ator
We have been through this often enough for me to recognize your flawed presumptions as an attack.

I thought so, you are dragging personal baggage from thread to thread. Post 11 was neither a "rant" nor an "attack", nor "anti-Catholic".

25 posted on 10/09/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: SeekAndFind; All

“Despite going against official Roman Catholic Church doctrine, Biden’s stance may be seen to mirror more closely American Catholics’ split opinions on the issue. A 2009 Gallup report highlighted that division, noting that although 40 percent of U.S. Catholics support abortion, or pro-choice views, a slight majority, or 54 percent, are also supportive of homosexuality.”

How about BEARING FALSE WITNESS, have they given up on that too...Joe did LONG ago!

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/2918779/posts

In 1972 Sen. Joseph Biden, the Democrat nominee for vice President, lost his wife and young daughter in a car accident. Losing your family in an auto accident is a gut wrenching tragedy, to be sure. No one underestimates that and no ever blamed Mrs. Biden for the accident.

Right up there with despicable things one human can do to another, is falsely accusing the innocent of a crime. “Bearing false witness” is even in the 10 commandments, but Mr. Biden’s feigned Catholicism doesn’t let that stop him.

Last night CBS Inside Edition reports, “In a striking moment in December 2007, he opened his heart to University of Iowa students. “Let me tell you a little story. My wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree, a tractor trailer, a guy who allegedly, and I never pursued it, drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family, killed my wife instantly, killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons.”

Out on the stump recently and for years, Biden has repeated this charge. Lately, he has tried to soften it with the thought that he doesn’t know if the semi truck driver was drunk...., “ I never pursued it”. He didn’t follow the case about the death of his wife and child? Give me a break.

The court certainly did. The driver was never charged and was cleared of any wrong doing. Mrs. Biden, driving a station wagon full of kids and a Christmas tree pulled into the truck’s path. The driver, also a victim, had not been drinking and for the years before his death his reputation suffered with the false charge that Biden put out in the public for sympathy and political gain.[snip]


26 posted on 10/09/2012 6:09:50 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: ansel12

U R Nuts!


27 posted on 10/09/2012 9:12:23 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: arrogantsob

Joe’s politics do NOT represent the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Ryan’s do!


28 posted on 10/09/2012 9:14:21 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: pgkdan

We have a winner!!!


29 posted on 10/09/2012 9:16:19 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: G Larry

See post 22.


30 posted on 10/09/2012 9:30:51 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: pgkdan
There are too many who judge all Catholics by the likes of Biden, Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, etc, and by painting all of us by this broad brush they are grievously and morally wrong.
31 posted on 10/09/2012 9:35:23 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: pgkdan
...one Catholic worldview...

If "Catholic" refers to all Catholics---laity, nuns and clergy---then we have to admit there are differing views on many doctrines and teachings.

I am not defending or agreeing with Biden but he is far from the only self-identified Catholic who "picks and chooses" which church teachings he believes.

32 posted on 10/09/2012 10:29:59 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: G Larry

Yeah, and this is news?


33 posted on 10/09/2012 10:41:47 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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