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To: fso301

For crying out loud. You are grasping at ephemeral straws. She was clinically DEAD.

Why don’t you put a blindfold on and describe what is going on in the room - and you are not even clinically dead.

In that same article another person - clinically dead - described a shoe on a ledge outside the hospital. She described the position of the shoe and was insistent to her nurse on finding out if such a shoe was there.

The nurse went to check and indeed there was a shoe there just as she described. The shoe was in no way visible from inside the room.

It is obvious you are not very well read on the topic of NDE’s. I suggest you get more informed before presenting your implausible scenarios. Just saying the body is complex is not an answer. And a dissected frog does not have consciousness.


65 posted on 10/11/2012 4:07:51 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation
For crying out loud. You are grasping at ephemeral straws. She was clinically DEAD.

FYI, clinical death is not permanent legal death. Clinical death is reversible via techniques such as CPR, defibrillation, epinephrine injection, etc. Clinical death may be induced and reversed in a controlled manner.

In the case of controlled clinical death such as described in the article, a patient may remain in such clinically dead state for many hours without suffering ischemic injury.

Why don’t you put a blindfold on and describe what is going on in the room - and you are not even clinically dead.

I don't need a blindfold to describe what goes on in an operating room, an accident scene, or attempts to resuscitation a person under cardiac arrest. I suspect you have watched enough television and movies to be able to give a description as well.

Under normal circumstances, surgery patients have an awareness ahead of time that they will be in an operating room. Most accident victims have some awareness as the accident is unfolding. I suspect most suffering a heart attack have some awareness that a heart attack may be a possibility prior to their losing consciousness.

Memories from these final moments of consciousness might later be processed by the unconscious brain in a manner similar to the way the sleeping brain takes events from the wakeful past and reassembles them as a dream. Sometimes very convincing dreams.

In that same article another person - clinically dead - described a shoe on a ledge outside the hospital. She described the position of the shoe and was insistent to her nurse on finding out if such a shoe was there.

The nurse went to check and indeed there was a shoe there just as she described. The shoe was in no way visible from inside the room.

What patient, what nurse, what hospital, what procedure, what date, what attending medical team, what original source publication did the tennis shoe story appear in? The tennis shoe story while interesting proves nothing. By this time in Salon Magazine, it's a second hand story at best.

It is obvious you are not very well read on the topic of NDE’s. I suggest you get more informed before presenting your implausible scenarios. Just saying the body is complex is not an answer. And a dissected frog does not have consciousness.

Because you only read NDE stories supportive of what you want to believe does not mean you are well read on NDE's. It's also obvious you are not even superficially read on medicine, biology and science.

68 posted on 10/12/2012 3:30:23 AM PDT by fso301
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