Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ted Haggard Says Gay Marriage Not Biblical, But Should Be Legal
Christian Post ^ | 10/24/2012 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 10/24/2012 2:03:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Colorado evangelical pastor Ted Haggard, who was involved in a sex and drug scandal six years ago, appears to have changed his earlier position against same-sex marriage.

In an online debate, he said while biblical law is against homosexual marriage, the state should allow it. "We've reached a point where human dignity and mutual respect is so important," Haggard said in a recent online debate with Rabbi Benjamin Hecht, director of Orthodox Jewish think tank Nishma.

Responding to the question, "Should same-sex marriage be allowed by the state?" he went on to say, "If someone is dealing with same-sex attraction or homosexuality, and they want someone to be their life partner of the same gender, though we would oppose that in our churches, it should be allowed by the state."

Haggard shared this view during the debate, hosted on deeyoon.com, while maintaining that God intends marriage to be between a man and a woman. He said the roles of the state and religious communities are different. "The state's role is to protect people equally," he emphasized.

In January, when Haggard appeared on an episode of ABC's "Wife Swap," he said he was "hesitant" about same-sex marriage. He said he was against gay marriage and rewriting the traditional definition of marriage, but that he was in favor of allowing civil partnerships and welcomes everyone into his church.

Haggard, previously the head of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), was also pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, the 14,000-member church he helped found. He was forced to resign from both positions after a gay prostitute came forward in 2006 and alleged that Haggard had paid him for sex and illegal drugs for three years.


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexuality; tedhaggard

1 posted on 10/24/2012 2:03:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Good thing no one listens to this fagot.


2 posted on 10/24/2012 2:06:41 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Incest isn't biblical.

Murder isn't biblical.

Stealing isn't biblical.

Rape isn't biblical.

Beastiality isn't biblical.

3 posted on 10/24/2012 2:09:53 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Wow.... Satan claims another one.


4 posted on 10/24/2012 2:10:41 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountn man

RE: Incest isn’t biblical.

In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition.

New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.

Rhode Island allows uncles to marry their nieces if they are part of a community, such as orthodox Jews, for whom such marriages are permitted. Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws

RE: Beastiality isn’t biblical.

I am not aware of any anti-bestiality laws in the US. Maybe someone can point me to the right source...


5 posted on 10/24/2012 2:13:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

“We’ve reached a point where human dignity and mutual respect is so important,”

...........................................................
Splain to me please: what is dignified about Oral sex, packing the fudge, fisting, using objects that resemble the human penis and cigars on women ,while practicing mutual masturbation, then please: tell me why I should respect those that do these things.


6 posted on 10/24/2012 2:14:02 PM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

and people should listen to the cretin, why?


7 posted on 10/24/2012 2:15:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

STFU.........Ted. Go away.


8 posted on 10/24/2012 2:16:55 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Just ask Anne Barnhardt about the “Happy Jesus Rock n’ Roll churches”...

heh heh heh

She has been vindicated time and again, her opinions on the current issues in the church should be required reading for freepers.


9 posted on 10/24/2012 2:19:47 PM PDT by GraceG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind; Religion Moderator
Posted yesterday, and with a better title: Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard supports same-sex 'marriage'
10 posted on 10/24/2012 2:20:22 PM PDT by Gamecock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Ted Haggard clearly does not seek
salvation from the creator of the universe:
YHvH
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

11 posted on 10/24/2012 2:22:22 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Point being, these are all things that are not biblical, maybe we should make them all legal. For a "pastor" to call for something unbiblical to be legal is just preposterous.

This nation was intended on being a Republic, where our laws were first and foremost based on the Bible.

12 posted on 10/24/2012 2:24:35 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
It is illegal in Washington.
13 posted on 10/24/2012 2:26:54 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Served an apprentiship with a guy, who years later EARNED himself the nickname DogBoy. You can figure out how he earned the name. I believe he was brought up on animal abuse charges.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 2:27:17 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

>>>”The state’s role is to protect people equally,” he emphasized.>>>

Who protects the children adopted by same-sex couples? Children need a mother and a father in order to learn what they need to know to be successful in the world.


15 posted on 10/24/2012 2:30:10 PM PDT by kitkat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Hes a fag.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 2:34:57 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

He’s a fag and that’s what fags say. Is his dingbat wife still in denial?


17 posted on 10/24/2012 2:35:01 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Marriage goes way beyond “Biblical.” Think about how different the following cultures are:

European
Native American
Tribal African
Middle Eastern
Chinese
Japanese
Indian (Asian)
Polynesian
Korean

Different religions, different history, different everything. Well, almost everything. They all do have one thing in common. For their entire history (we’re talking thousands of years) they have defined marriage as between males and females. NEVER have any of these cultures defined marriage as between two people of the same sex—never.

Maybe we should ask ourselves why these vastly different cultures all came to the same conclusion about marriage before we make major changes in the institution.


18 posted on 10/24/2012 2:37:32 PM PDT by Brookhaven (The Democratic Party has become the Beclowning Party)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountn man

RE: For a “pastor” to call for something unbiblical to be legal is just preposterous.

Well what to say...

Let’s forget gay marriage for a moment....

Homosexual sex is an abomination to God. Should Christians support laws that criminalize gay sex?

It is in fact Unbiblical to worship any other God but YHWH ( The very first commandment, upon which all other commandments stand)... But worshipping other gods is legal in the United States.


19 posted on 10/24/2012 2:38:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Ted Haggard Says Gay Marriage Not Biblical, But Should Be Legal

I think that's a matter best left to the states. And right now most of them don't seem to agree with Haggard on this.

20 posted on 10/24/2012 2:41:03 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

sorry, pastor. learn how to control your hormones
(everybody has to, in one way or another)

or go live with your boyfriend and hang up your preaching hat


21 posted on 10/24/2012 2:41:46 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Why is this article even worth the time and bandwidth?
22 posted on 10/24/2012 2:50:30 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
There is a HUGH difference between making something legal or illegal or simply not addressing it.

We have laws such as DOMA protecting traditional marriage. IT DOES NOT make being gay or having gay sex illegal.

What Haggard is proposing would be making it legal (but its not currently illegal) thus legitimizing it.

That is the whole intention of the gay community. To legitimize their actions and lifestyle.

23 posted on 10/24/2012 3:00:50 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: mountn man

I think we should look at what is entailed by the term — LEGAL.

If by LEGAL, one means -— Not prosecutable under law, then there are many acts that are unbiblical but not prosecutable in the United States (unless we want to be a theocracy ).

Not believing in One God and having gay sex in the privacy of one’s house are just two of those that God will punish and judge someday, but the state should not prosecute (unless of course, we want America to be a theocracy).

However, there are also things that can be made LEGAL that REQUIRE people of faith to recognize and even PAY FOR with their own money.

Gay Marriage and Abortificents and Condoms for healthcare are but two of them.

Being LEGAL in the sense of not prosecuting and being LEGAL by requiring people to CELEBRATE and RECOGNIZE what their faith tells them is sinful are two different things.

Christians do not object to NOT prosecuting certain acts that even they find unbiblical. It is REQUIRING them to recognize and pay for such acts that they find abhorrent and rightly so.


24 posted on 10/24/2012 3:17:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
You can still marry your cousin
25 posted on 10/24/2012 3:20:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

(In an online debate, he said while biblical law is against homosexual marriage, the state should allow it. “We’ve reached a point where human dignity and mutual respect is so important,)

What does dignity and respect have to do with allowing perverts to marry?


26 posted on 10/24/2012 3:33:45 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountn man

So he’s saying that mutual respect is more important than what the Bible directs.


27 posted on 10/24/2012 3:36:25 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (It's not what I do but the way I do it, it's not what I say but the way I say it. (Mae West))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

It is the correct title, a different source and posted after the four hour limit for duplicate threads.


28 posted on 10/24/2012 4:10:14 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Religion Moderator

Oh,
My bad.
I thought redundant stories were locked down.
Are the guidelines you posted above just for the RF or for all of FR?


29 posted on 10/24/2012 5:50:29 PM PDT by Gamecock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

It applies to all of FR.


30 posted on 10/24/2012 8:16:43 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Capital punishment for sodomites is BIBLICAL, Ted. (Leviticus 20:13 if you have a Bible).

We know from Hebrews 9 :10 that only laws relating to “meats, drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances” we’re only imposed “until the time of the reformation.” Jesus came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill. (Matthew 5:17) So, the rest of the law stands. We do not make the law void through faith, we establish it. (Romans 3:31)

And should you be so silly as to say that Jesus never taught keeping the law, then you do not know his word and consequently do not know him. Since he is God (and the only God there is—Isaiah 43:10,11), he in fact spake these words to Moses. And if we love him, we are encouraged to keep his commandments (laws).


31 posted on 10/24/2012 9:01:25 PM PDT by nonsporting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Religion Moderator

I had no idea, thanks!


32 posted on 10/25/2012 4:32:26 AM PDT by Gamecock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Homosexual sex is an abomination to God. Should Christians support laws that criminalize gay sex?


Normal people, Christian or not know it is sick, anti gay is not for Christians only but for any one who is sane.

I hated queers before i became a christian,they are predators and they prey on children, i am not supposed to hate now but i still know that it is sick.


33 posted on 10/25/2012 6:29:04 AM PDT by ravenwolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

There may be some sort of problem bonding with a distant or absent father, or sexual abuse in Haggard’s background. His acting out with males and using the drug crystal meth is so common with those of the homosexual orientation.


34 posted on 10/25/2012 2:22:51 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson