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To: Gay State Conservative
when it comes to politicians at least,the Church should make it clear that if you support abortion you have excommunicated yourself if you voice support for it or vote in favor of it

You're right but the problem is much deeper. According to exit polls, Obama won Catholic voters 50 percent to 47 percent! That's an alarming number but when you dig deeper into the stats, you discover that Catholics who attend Mass weekly seem to have favored Romney.

Like Judaism, Catholicism is now considered by many as a birth rite. The thinking goes something like this: "since I was baptized into the Catholic Church, even if I don't attend weekly mass, I am a Catholic". These CINOs, many of whom have never been educated in their faith, vote the popular view, while still identifying as catholics. That skews election results based on religious affiliation. How many of these "catholics" would truly accept the teachings of the faith into which they were baptized?

Even in our very small parish, we see the phenomenon of families with children suddenly showing up at church, interested in having them baptized and receiving First Communion. The pastor has done a wonderful job of advising them on their responsibilities as parents and educating the children in the faith. But then, once they have completed a year of education, received First Communion, poof, they disappear.

Let's be realistic about contemporary society. Yesterday's election confirmed something many of us find hard to accept: Government has replaced God in the eyes of the needy. Sports, birthday parties, sleepovers, et al. have replaced Sunday Mass for many families with children. Your thoughts?

16 posted on 11/07/2012 1:54:12 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Comparing Catholics to Jews as a racial/tribal type identity, doesn’t work, or make any sense, and Catholics can attend any church in America if they no longer feel like Catholics.

Catholics have always voted democrat with a few, recent, exceptions.

Catholics have always been seen as having politics not in agreement with the people who created the nation, nothing has changed, in fact, the nation is catching up to the Catholic voter.

This Catholic vote is not some new trend, it is historically normal and routine, the democrats, the unions, the big city machines, desiring a powerful central authority, big government, social collectivism, over individuality, tribal identity, seeing nationalism and borders as a hindrance to Catholic growth, it is all traditional.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 2:12:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: NYer

Let’s be realistic about contemporary society. Yesterday’s election confirmed something many of us find hard to accept: Government has replaced God in the eyes of the needy. Sports, birthday parties, sleepovers, et al. have replaced Sunday Mass for many families with children.

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BINGO!!!

We can blame our situation on many things...but the MAIN reason we are in this mess is because of all of our choices.

“Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” ... Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Until we come to the place of GREAT repentance on the part of the majority of this nation, we will see an increasingly worse scenario. The CHANGE that is really needed is SPIRITUAL. History teaches this. The Sacred Scriptures teach this. Why do we have to learn this the hard way?


25 posted on 11/07/2012 3:24:37 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer
You're right but the problem is much deeper. According to exit polls, Obama won Catholic voters 50 percent to 47 percent! That's an alarming number but when you dig deeper into the stats, you discover that Catholics who attend Mass weekly seem to have favored Romney.

you also have to remember that 30 years ago, it would have been 80 percent of Catholics voted Democrat, so there is a big change...

40 posted on 11/08/2012 3:19:05 AM PST by LadyDoc
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