Posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by NYer
The end of those days can't come soon enough.
Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isn’t the place for me.
Amen!
8 out of 10 white Protestants voted for Romney...95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...
6 out of 10 White Catholics voted for Romney...75% of Mexican Catholics voted for Obama...
Viewed in its proper context, a clearer picture emerges.
As a Catholic who also spent a lot of time in the Methodist Church, I can tell you this: The Methodists are humanists who hate conflict, and I am embarrassed by those Catholics who voted for baby killers. Yes, I know it isn’t “civilized” to call it baby killing. But that is what it is. A murder of an innocent by any other name is still a murder. I too feel like one of the warriors this priest is talking about. My birth family and all my relatives voted for the democrat. I am so isolated in my Orthodoxy. However, I cannot help it. It has been this way for me since I was a kid. I have to walk this road.
“However, I cannot help it. It has been this way for me since I was a kid. I have to walk this road”.
Me too. Fortunately, I have like minded family. Hang in there.
There's no such thing as an "American" Catholic Church.
There is a large and growing heretical movement within the Catholic Church, mostly composed of Americans and some Western Europeans. Why Jesus has not dealt with this problem yet is not known to me, but this problem does not create a separate Catholic Church in America.
The real picture is of the people that did not bother to vote.
I’d like the church to take the idea of a “warrior priest” a step further, if not into actual combat.
All over the world, there are Catholic (and many other Christian) communities that are sorely oppressed by the people around them. More than anything else, they need practical guidance of “how to protect themselves from their oppressors, so they do not have to defend themselves from their oppressors.”
Imagine a large lay organization of Catholics trained as soldiers, with “warrior priests” as chaplains, that would travel the world to such communities to teach them ways to protect their community, each other and themselves from attacks by hostile outsiders.
This would be at times an unofficial and discreet effort, and at times under full diplomatic license from the Vatican.
First, experts would examine a community to evaluate it and what it could reasonably do to protect itself. Skilled military people can be very adept at this, as well as imagining inexpensive and pragmatic ways to adjust to improve security. At the same time, the “warrior priests” would evaluate and assist the local clergy and act as liaisons to the community leaders.
Next, they would network the people of the community so that they know how to mutually support each other. Much of this would be in the creation of communications and “emergency services” as it were. Standing together is much stronger than facing the enemy alone.
Then finally, every able bodied, willing person in the community, and the children, could be taught basic unarmed martial arts. This is based on the principal that even modest resistance to an attacker makes the attack much harder. Such attackers tend to be cowardly and to want an easy attack, so if it is made more difficult, they are less inclined to continue or try again.
In any event, the cost of creating such an organization is small compared to the enormous benefits it can provide around the world.
Wow 40% :( Maybe the Catholic (American) church isnt the place for me.
Michigander, please do not give up. YOU must put on your warrior armor yourself, like I have. It is up to YOU to talk to your fellow parishoners about the coming battle so that YOU can help them put on THEIR warrior armor.
If your pastor has not said much about the battle of good vs. evil, then YOU must remind him that he is the leader of the flock.
If he does not talk about the evils of abortion, same-sex, in-vitro fertilization, babies out-of-wedlock in the coming weeks after you have spoken to him the first time, then YOU must gather several of your warrior friends and, as a group, tell your pastor that you expect to hear from the pulpit these things.
This is a battle that we must engage. Along the way you will convert your friends back to true full communion with God.
Onward Soldiers For Christ!
Amen to that NYer.
I’ll tell you where there are some more “warrior Catholics”. They are among the laity; at the Latin Mass. In the Latin Mass that I go to in the Chicago area, the priests are warriors and so are the parishoners. I believe these people will save yhe Catholic Church.
Amen to that NYer.
The Catholics that should be shown the door are the ones that openly flaunt the churches teaching. Here is my suggestions for starters:
Pelosi, Biden, Tom Harkin (Iowa, D) , Richard Durbin (Illinois, D) , Mary Landrieu (Louisiana, D, John Kerry (Massachusetts, D),Barbara Mikulski (Maryland, D) , Claire McCaskill (Missouri, D) , Robert Menendez (New Jersey, D), Kirsten Gillibrand (New York, D) , Jack Reed (Rhode Island, D), Pat Leahy (Vermont, D) , Maria Cantwell (Washington, D), Patty Murray (Washington, D).
The warrior part is when all of us of faith fight - through letters, vigils, demonstrations, prayer. We have to drive our church leaders where they won’t go: to oppose the open sin and scandal of “Catholics” who support abortion and gay “marriage” and unneeded wars. We need a church militant in this time of immoral descent.
I'll believe it when I see it! I've been hearing for years that this is the year/time/election that the bishops are finally going to start standing up for what they're suppoded to believe. As I said, I'll believe it when I see it.
And I guess what Im saying is that there is a lazy part of me that prefers comfort and wishes it never had to come to blows like this surely will but there is another part of me that realizes God is doing something in the hearts of faithful priests and Catholics and I think were on the edge of something that will be unlike anything weve seen in our lifetimes.
Again. I'll believe it when I see it.
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