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To: marshmallow
'm thankful for the support of other Christian groups on the HHS mandate, for instance, but I'm also aware that for them, this is purely a "freedom of religion" issue, rather than a deep, non-negotiable point of theology as contraception is for the Catholic Church.

This election makes it very clear that this point is a non-negotiable point for your church leadership, but your members don't care what they think.

We are not arguing theology. What we are looking at is a lack of discipline. We are already seeing the cries of the "moderates" that Pubs have to change their attitudes about abortion and the role of Christians in the party has to be reduced. I think the opposite is the case. We need a full throated conservatism that is not embarrassed to stand for GOD, family, country (in that order).

We will be in a minority for at least a generation with obamacare being the law of the land. We might as well strive to be Jonah's crying out to Ninevah.

21 posted on 11/09/2012 11:58:29 AM PST by wmfights
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To: wmfights
This election makes it very clear that this point is a non-negotiable point for your church leadership, but your members don't care what they think.

To what degree they're "members" is a subject for discussion but why would they? Large numbers of them don't even go to Church. Bishop who?

We are not arguing theology. What we are looking at is a lack of discipline.

No we're not. We're looking at the complete loss of Catholic identity which has been several decades in the making. We're looking at people who don't think like Catholics, who don't really care what the Church teaches and...surprise, surprise......they don't vote according to Catholic principles either. Why would someone who's embraced the secular ethos of artificial birth control really care about some spat between Obama and the Church over contraception, irrespective of what the bishop says? They're not even listening.

23 posted on 11/09/2012 12:29:56 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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