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CHRISTIAN PASTOR: THE CHURCH IS HOPELESSLY ANTI-SEMITIC
Israel Today ^ | Nov 9th, 2012

Posted on 11/11/2012 3:12:55 PM PST by TaraP

At an interfaith conference bringing together Jewish leaders and Protestant Christian pastors outside Jerusalem this week, several of the Christian representatives painted a very worrying picture about the future of relations between Israel and the mainstream Church.

While an estimated tens of millions of individual Christians around the world love and support the Jewish state, many of the mainline Protestant churches have been actively boycotting Israel, encouraging pro-Palestinian activism and demanding that Western governments stop sending aid to Jerusalem.

One of the main Christian representatives at the conference was Rev. Paul Wilkinson, associate minister at Hazel Grove Full Gospel Church in Stockport, England. Over the past few years, Wilkinson has studied up close the phenomenon of what he calls "Christian Palestinianism," a politicized movement that seeks to eliminate Christian support for Israel and transfer it to Palestinian nationalists.

Wilkinson said he is "completely pessimistic in terms of believing that I, we, are going to overturn 2,000 years of erroneous theology that has manifested itself in all kinds of diatribes and anti-Semitic factions" within the Church.

Wilkinson said that what stands behind Christian Palestinianism is classic Replacement Theology, which he called a "Goliath of theology in the church."

Rev. Andrew Love of the United Church of Canada agreed with Wilkinson that exaggerated humanitarian concern for the Palestinian Christians is being as the "rationalization for ultimately what I believe to be anti-Semitic ideas and anti-Semitic policies."

Wilkinson lamented that this hatred for Israel, which harks back to millennia of hatred for the Jews, is rooted "deep in the heart of the Protestant Church," and is unlikely to be uprooted.

The Times of Israel provided a full report of the event, as well as interviews with several of the speakers. Their article on the conference is worth a thorough read.


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; christians; churchantisemitic; evangelicals; liberalchurch; religiousleft; replacementtheology
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To: faithhopecharity
" The Church is not hopelessly anti-Semitic (although some of recent statements of a few denominational leaders are most obviously anti-Semitic in the extreme) "

One can guess with almost 100 % accuracy that those so called Church leaders, or those who call themselves " Christians " or those who have alined themselves with Obama are part of that category who are anti-Semitic regardless of creed, race, color, denomination, sect,.
41 posted on 11/11/2012 5:55:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Wonderful post American Constitutionalist! Thank you!


42 posted on 11/11/2012 5:56:18 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Sherman Logan
Unless I'm quite mistaken, "Replacement Theology" was the standard Christian doctrine for most of church history, with little evidence of the alternative, dual-covenant theology, prior to recent decades, and even then it has been limited primarily to American evangelical groups.

In particular, AFAIK there is no DCT in Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Knox, etc.

"Replacement Theology" is a shibboleth.

43 posted on 11/11/2012 6:05:50 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Any Church that become less Christ centered focused, they become " Christ less " and him crucified is a cult.
The more they become " Christ less " the more liberal, worldly, and works based they become.
44 posted on 11/11/2012 6:45:44 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMhrWbKKtA4


45 posted on 11/11/2012 7:30:09 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Lee N. Field

I have no clue what you mean by that.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 8:10:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BereanBrain
True Bible believers realize the place of the older brother in the family of God, and that they are only adopted younger sons.

Care to elucidate? Who is this older brother?

47 posted on 11/11/2012 8:16:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The philosophy of the supposed Christian doctrine of " FREE WILL " came from the Greek pagan philosophy: autonomous; autonomy; independent from.

THE only time IF there ever was that mankind had any real " free will " was when Adam and Even chose to be autonomous, independent from God's grace and yet rather chose the law, the knowledge between good and evil.

They chose to be independent from, autonomous ( that's what " FREE WILL " means ) of God's grace and chose for themselves what is good and evil.

But ?
God had to set up his own standard " the law " to show what is good and evil, to show what " SIN " is.

Saint Paul said that he would not have known what " SIN " is if it was not for the " LAW " to show him, convict him of what is wrong.

But ?
The law can not, nor ever can be the means that any man can be made righteous or justified in God's eyes.

If ?
The law could have made man righteous ?
Justified in God's eyes ?
Then ?
There would have been no need of the temporary sacrificial system of the blood atonement of bulls and goats that had to be performed year after year.
ACTS 13:39

NIV

39. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

KJV

39. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


Don't know how that Greek pagan philosophy of " FREE WILL " autonomous; autonomy, independent from, crept into the church.

God never called us to be " autonomous " or " independent " of him and from him... that's what free will means... to be autonomous from something, independent from.
48 posted on 11/11/2012 8:40:13 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
IF ? we could have been able to save ourselves ?
Then ?
We would not have need of a savoir.

GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.

The law pushers and the works based salvationeers say " ohh but, but Grace does not give us a license to sin " .


The biblical grace that the bible talks about is none other than Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God's grace.


Now once again ?

The law pushers say " well, grace does not give us a license to sin " i.e. break God's holy law..

How can " GRACE " give us a license to sin when it was " GRACE " that came to save us and free us from our sins ?

Let me say that again:

How can ?

Grace ( God's grace is none other than Jesus Christ ) give us a license to sin ?

When ?

It was " GRACE " that came to save us and free us from our sins ?


Sorry to say this however ?

The only people who have a " FREE LICENSE " to sin are those who are not yet saved.
Those who are not yet " born again " saved by Jesus Christ because they are still left in this " SINS " therefore they have free rein to sin.

Ephesians 2
NIV

Made Alive in Christ 1. As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2. in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
3. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
4. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5. made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7. in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9. not by works, so that no one can boast.
10. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Those who are not yet " BORN AGAIN " or " SAVED " by God's grace, saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ are still dead in their sins...
Yup, they are still dead in their sins and trespasses against God and God still sees them and declares them as dead.
Therefore ? they still have a " FREE LICENSE TO SIN " even if they are trying to keep the law wherewith which that can not save them... only Jesus Christ can.

The law pushers are the ones who have a " FREE LICENSE " to sin because they sin every day like the rest of humanity.

OPPS !!!


Opps ! they can't have that revealed can they ? nope, they can't have any one see them sinning while they preach against sin.

What was it ? that Jesus said ? " he that is without sin cast the first stone "


Yes Sir'reee...


Those who preach most against sin and preach keeping the law are the very ones who are actually breaking the law and have full license to sin when no one is watching.


OPPS !!

They can't have that revealed can they ? opps !



Once again ?

How can the grace of God give us a " free license " to sin when it was that very same grace of GOD that came, loved us and saved us and freed us from our sins ?

Yes, those law pushers will also go on and say :

" well, well, well, but, but, but, you will be punished and condemned and judged by GOD for your sins " ....



Guess what ?


I have ALREADY been judged for my sins, yet in another person JESUS CHRIST !


Jesus Christ took our punishment that you and I rightfully deserved and God's judgement passover us because Jesus Christ is OUR passover lamb.


Christ took our punishment that we deserved, took God's judgement that we deserved

and God gave us,

God imputed Christ's righteousness, Christ's holiness that we did not deserve and placed it on us as his gift.


Romans 8 verse 1 :

There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are IN Christ Jesus.



The walking in the flesh part ?

It means ?

Those who are walking in humanistic understanding,
human reasoning,
human " EFFORTS " to save themselves... i.e. WORKS, WORKS, WORKS.


Those who are walking in the spirit ?

Are those who are walking in the spirit in FAITH in CHRIST alone.

For " THE LAW " was weak in the " FLESH " ... yes, there is that word again. FLESH ...


It is talking about how the law was weak in the FLESH.

In the flesh as sensual ?
Sins ?
Lust ? i.e. sins ? no.


It means flesh is weak in human effort, abilities i.e. HUMAN abilities to keep God's holy law.
49 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:52 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: TaraP; circlecity
It seems the Protestant Church is in a mess..

i'm sorry Tara, but that statement is wrong on many levels

Firstly, there is no one "protestant church" -- there are multiple different Churches that are either under this umbrella term or consider themselves part of it or are considered by others as part of it

Some of these groups are anti-israel like the ECUSA etc., but the Southern Baptists are pro-Israel.

One can't generalize like this

50 posted on 11/12/2012 4:44:15 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: BereanBrain
The only people who call them selves Christians and are anti-israel are the Liberal Presbyterians. But then again, they believe Calvin more than the bible, so there you go.

It's hard to believe that i'm defending Presbyterians, but yeah, BB, your statement is wrong imho. even the PCUSA don't hold Calvin higher than the Bible, afaik

51 posted on 11/12/2012 4:48:16 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

If you believe in “Calvinism”, let me ask you a question.

If Calvinism is CLEARLY taught in the bible, why do we need the who structure, and doctrine and verbiage, and “points” that makes up 5 point Calvinism?

It’s a construct on TOP of the bible. For Protestants who died for the concept of “Sola Scriptura” or, the ONLY authority is the bible, why have the replicated the error of the Catholic Church and put the words of man (Calvin in this case) above the bible (i.e. they view the bible through the lens of Calvinism?)

Here’s what the Bible says about other Gospels.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8, 9

SOLA SCRIPTURA means NO OTHER WRITINGS are needed for the full revelation of God! What then are Calvin’s works?


52 posted on 11/12/2012 2:15:19 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Sherman Logan
I have no clue what you mean by that.

"Replacement Theology is a term used overwhelmingly often by the proponents of a certain relatively recent, popular but problematic eschatology.

It's a shibboleth* ("1 a : a word or saying used by adherents of a party, sect, or belief and usually regarded by others as empty of real meaning.").

*Not to be confused with a shoggoth.

53 posted on 11/12/2012 5:02:15 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Eschatology preceeds soteriology" --G. Vos, Pauline Eschatology, 1930)
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To: BereanBrain

Who says that Calvinism puts Calvin’s theories over the Bible?


54 posted on 11/12/2012 9:20:39 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: TaraP

A woman is not supposed to preach, but obviously she is not a woman but a butch.


55 posted on 11/13/2012 10:29:01 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: American Constitutionalist

I agree with you, but would just say that although we sin we do need to recognize it as sin and confess our sins to one another, and try to keep sin from our lives, but we can not change our nature or we would no longer be a man or woman, which God made us.

Also we are not to advertise our sins to the world.

We are told to keep our selves unspotted from the world.

Also a man who was known to be in an affair with his fathers wife. Paul told them to get him out of the church.

So an actual church member, that is some one who is involved in the teaching needs to show a good example if he don,t he should not be a member of the Church, that does not mean he is not saved, that is between him and God.

Being saved by faith does not give us a licences to sin other wise why would Paul tell us to pray continually, what would we be praying for?

We sin every day but we do not do it because we think it is not wrong.

A Christian can be tempted into sinning but if they are truly a believer they will be ashamed of it, they would not advertise it, it is only the unbelievers who are not ashamed.

I have not put any verses down because i am sure you know them at least as well as i do.


56 posted on 11/13/2012 11:19:08 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Cronos

I say Calvinism puts his points above the bible.

How?

You can’t reason with a Calvinist, as they don’t want to talk about the overwhelming scriptural evidence demonstrating man has free will, and that the ONLY sin that is unforgivable is rejecting God.

Calvin took a few verses out of context, and sprinkled in suppositions, and that’s the origin of the 5 points.

For example, the verse about the pot talking to the potter about what it was built (intended) for. When talking to a Calvinist, they completely MISS the fact that the verse is asking a rhetorical question. The question is, “who is man to question God?, or his methods?”, which is of course, found all through scripture.

There are tens and hundreds of verses about how God’s will is that none should perish, and that he strives with man, and if man just accepts the truth, God will give more of it. Calvinism does not agree with the message of John 3:16, nor 2 Peter 3;9.

God does not exist in our time. He is beyond time, and indeed he created it. He sees the future and past and present as easily as we see left, center and right. In this way, he KNOWS who are his, WITHOUT causing the election.

Our universe does not really exist as a cause/effect universe any more than God allows it to....in fact, if you study quantum mechanics (double slit experiment for example) you will find that the whole cause/effect breaks down in the REAL world.


57 posted on 11/13/2012 6:27:54 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: haffast

Wasn’t Obama’s mothers church in Seattle Unitarian? I’m pretty sure it was. Wonder if they are connected.


58 posted on 11/16/2012 9:16:56 AM PST by Josephat
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To: haffast

The Catholic church is doing itself a great disservice by not excommunicating these fools.


59 posted on 11/16/2012 9:21:27 AM PST by Josephat
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To: American Constitutionalist

I think we must have “free will” to choose God and that is basically all we have to do for salvation. If we choose God and His plan, which, of course includes Jesus, we believe and if we really believe, we trust. It is that trust that saves us. When we put ourselves in God’s hands, we are seldom dissappointed and when things don’t seem to be working the way we think they should it is particularily important to rely on God. Your faith will be rewarded.


60 posted on 11/16/2012 9:34:18 AM PST by Josephat
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