[Saundra Duffy]

We believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator. Where did you get such a crazy idea in the first place. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Redeemer/Savior of the New Testament. All things were made by Him and nothing was made that was made but by Him.

Please stop distorting the Truth about my Church.

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[reaganaut]

We believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator. Where did you get such a crazy idea in the first place.

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From LDS LEADERS!!! In Mormonism, God cannot create, just organize. And the LDS temple endowment teaches that Jesus and Michael (Adam) created the worlds at the request of God the Father (Elohim).

Do I need to post LDS quotes to prove you wrong? I will.

[Colofornian]

We believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator. Where did you get such a crazy idea in the first place. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Redeemer/Savior of the New Testament. All things were made by Him and nothing was made that was made but by Him.

ALL: This note by Saundra involves a "recipe" of a 1/2 cup of 1/2 truth mixed with a heavy dosage of a home-grown brand item that tries to pawn itself off as the "real thing"...

The smidgen of "truth" uttered here by Saundra is that, yes, Mormons say Jesus was "Creator"...and this is not only found in the Bible, but the "scriptures" exclusive to Mormonism.

What they don't tend to readily mention is these two things:

(1) Lds redefine the word "Creator" to mean "organizer"

They don't believe what the author of Hebrews called creation ex-nihilo (out of nothing) applies to their version of "Jesus" (or god, either). They don't believe Jesus -- or the Lds father-god -- had/has the power to create out of nothing. And this includes even people. Lds have a peculiar doctrine that spirits and intelligences are as eternal as anything divine. (This is found in D&C 93:29,33)

So, they say, you, me, the animal world, all of us...existed as "spirits" or "intelligences" from eternal past. We had no "we didn't exist" and "now we exist" moment.

So when a Mormon uses the word "create" -- they mean "organize", "design" or "arrange" ... but not literally create from nothing.

(2) While Saundra cites a portion of Colossians 1:16 -- "All things were made by Him and nothing was made that was made but by Him" -- what she fails to mention is that she doesn't believe that Jesus created or even "organized" Lucifer's jump-start as a spirit...nor anybody else's spirit.

Even tho spirits already existed, say Mormons; they have this weird doctrine that they underwent a second spirit jump-start when they were born to a god-mom and god-dad on a planet near the star Kolob. [And then, they say, we all had yet a third jump-start when we inhabited a body here on earth]

You see, Lds believe that Jesus as a spirit-creature was "spirit birthed" right before Lucifer and the rest...so, being Satan's spirit brother, the Mormon "jesus" could hardly have been his "creator."

So, when Saundra says "things" -- she likely means all "impersonal" things...and again, remember, even with "things" -- the Mormon god & the Mormon "jesus" were mere "organizers" of things...

[fishtank]

I post these graphics because:

(1) I have heard what former ldsers and what well-read researchers have said about lds beliefs., i.e. the lds believes that God did not create everything out of nothing.

(2) I have had CURRENT lds people tell me that what I am saying is true, but that I shouldn't say it, because they feel uncomfortable about discussing the issue and its implications.

(3) I believe that God's WORD is living and eternal and that He can use it to scrape away false doctrines from the souls of people.

(4) I post these because the false doctrines of human pre-existence and of eternal marriage are FALSE. They are useful hooks to get people to stay in the lds, but those doctrines are USELESS.

Why?

(A.) They diminish the creative power of God, that He created our spirits out of nothing, and

(B.) the eternal marriage doctrine defames and contradicts the teaching that Christians WILL be married in eternity. We will be married to Christ .... but NOT to each other.