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In his remarks the Cardinal mentioned a cycle of violence in the middle east dating back thousands of years and cited Herrod's killing of the innocent among several examples. and no response from Lera

No response from Lera eh ? Try looking at post number 7 in this thread .I posted a response as soon as I posted thread , right before I went into the kitchen to start baking for Thanksgiving . Oh a Happy Thanksgiving to you too

Herod's killing of the innocents
King Herod the puppet king of Judea put into power by Rome. King Herod the Edomite king of Judea .
King Herod the Arab that ordered the execution of all Jewish babies under the age of 2 in Bethlehem .
Yeah I'd say the Jewish people have a long history of demon possessed Arabs trying to kill them alright .
And yet these Arabs shoot off rocket after rocket into Israeli cities and people sit silent until Israel has had enough and starts targeting the people who are shooting those rockets and what do they say - they call it a vicious circle .... There is no vicious circle , there is only an Arab everlasting hatred . Crazy Muslim Arabs trying to murder Israelis every single day . The violence will end the day they stop trying to kill Israelis because they think their god is bigger than God.

There is no excuse to make any excuse for these savages .

What's for Thanksgiving dinner? I've been cooking crow and your portion has been getting cold. What kept you?

Still standing by this piece of garbage? Still want to portray it as a factual account of Cardinal Ravasi's words?

Yes?

Good.....in a few days, when the official English transcript of this article becomes available, you'll receive a personal invitation to cut and paste the exact words from Ravasi's speech which support the headline ..."Vatican on Gaza: Israel is a Baby-Killer". I look forward to it. We all do.

Until then.

I agree with you about the atrocities of Hamas as well as the other terrorist Islamist groups out there bent on the total destruction of Israel. It is no secret that Hamas' own charter includes the annihilation of Israel as one of their goals.

You have been getting a lot of grief over the title of the thread, even though it was the author's interpretation of the words he says the Cardinal as well as other Christian leaders have said about the situation in Gaza. I wonder if someone else had posted a thread like this - say our FRiend Cronos - and it was concerning a Church of England or Presbyterian bishop (as he is wont to do) saying something equally outrageous and unfair as this. Would there be the same outcry for "proof"? Would there be complaints about someone putting words in the leader's mouth? How about protests to the RM to take the thread down because it was a vicious smear tactic? I kinda doubt it. In fact, I think many of those complaining now, would be joining in the disagreement with any other Christian leader voicing such hateful rhetoric against Israel. There wouldn't be a knee-jerk reaction to condemn first and research later - it would be accepted at face value as long as it wasn't "their" church.

I know I would be just as angry and disapproving of the statements no matter who said them as I think you would, as well. But what seems to be happening here is the total intolerance to anything that remotely causes criticism of Rome. Some of our friends would rather pillory the one who posts threads that are negative about Catholicism, than address the subject the thread brings up. I don't think that is being honest. I hope you had a joyful Thanksgiving.

"In his remarks the Cardinal mentioned a cycle of violence in the middle east dating back thousands of years and cited Herrod's killing of the innocent among several examples."

Lera: "King Herod the Arab that ordered the execution of all Jewish babies" -- so now are you saying that the Cardinal is making pro-Israel statements about Hamas killing Israeli babies?

Or are you on to the Jesuits (laugh -- this was one of your many flubs) teaching ole Iosef?