Jonah Code & 70 Weeks of Daniel Full Disk 1 of 5 by Michael Rood

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[Errant]

They are perfectly willing to throw prophecy and logic in the toilet to justify a Pagan tradition.

Borders on surreal or better, demonic...

[Errant]

is this microphone on?

You seem only comfortable when controlling the direction of OUR discussion. Not to mention just a little impatient!

And you haven't the common courtesy of addresses a single item of discussion that we've presented. It makes one wonder why...

e.g., http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2962798/posts?page=224#224

[Errant]

Obviously straining tons of gnats, but embracing a 100 ton camel to uphold the Dagon celebration.

Right you are!

[editor-surveyor]

You’re doing fine IMO.

[Errant]

230 posts and no one wants to deal with Luke 24!

We have all addressed your single, out of context verses ad nauseum. You however, refuse to address any/all evidence to the contrary that we've offered.

One more time, with accompanying images :

Luke 24:21 (KJV) But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

To honor pagan gods, Constantine and his enablers have shoved the below timeline down the throats of Christians for centuries. There can only be ONE complete day in Constantine's pagan time-line, NOT three as mentioned in ALL the scriptures!! You desperately ignore evidence to the contrary and cling to single out of context verses, doing your best to justify a devotion to the celebration of pagan special days. There is something inherently very dark and foreboding when you must twist scripture, prophecy, history, the calendar and astronomical evidence to secretly observe special days of false gods, IMO.

Your obviously impossible timeline :

This is how it happened, ALL the evidence fits perfectly!

[Errant]

But John mentions a 'special sabbath', and we know where that special sabbath was according to their location and timing in Bethseda - 6 days till passover...Using your method of calculating days, that would (assuming Palm Sunday actually was Sunday), put passover on Thursday, not Saturday. Hence, two Sabbaths.

Do you have the Chp/verse? That's a very interesting find that I would like to understand better.

Thanks,

[roamer_1]

Do you have the Chp/verse? That's a very interesting find that I would like to understand better.

This is the verse I was thinking of... I only have KJV available to me here. But it is actually more precise because it declares the High Sabbath more perfectly. I don't know if any version said 'special' instead, but that is what stuck in my head. :P

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

(e-Sword:KJV)

[Errant]

Thanks!

Can't be sure because of the statement inside of a parentheses; so don't know here, if this is due to the translators adding it in, or in the original.

What indicates it's accurate however, is the prior statement, "because it was the preparation", which is only mentioned in conjunction with a high sabbath, IIRC.

Worth looking into futher for sure! ;)

[roamer_1]

Can't be sure because of the statement inside of a parentheses; so don't know here, if this is due to the translators adding it in, or in the original.

One of the things I really like about the KJV is that all the additions by the translator are bracketed or in a gray font (or some such). If you have a paper KJV with you, it would be easy to check. The words given are weighted for the concordance in e-Sword, so I would assume they are not additions.

What indicates it's accurate however, is the prior statement, "because it was the preparation", which is only mentioned in conjunction with a high sabbath, IIRC.

I don't know if that is exactly true... I mean I do know that there is the 'day of preparation', but at least colloquially, i think that Friday (the sixth day) is also referred to as such wrt the weekly Sabbath... However, I do not think the Bible does that, or at least I cannot recall it doing so.

[Errant]

I don't know if that is exactly true...

Thanks for fleshing out my comment. I should have been more detailed as to what I was referencing, which was the mention of the day of preparation as mentioned in the Bible and not the average Jewish day before the weekly sabbath. From my recollection as well, all mention in the Bible of preparation day is in reference to a high sabbath

I just finished watching Sabbath Night Live for this week and Michael goes into his soon to be published, "The Chronological Gospels." He discusses much that is directly related to what we've been discussing here. I would really like to attend the conference in Arlington next week, but will probably have to settle for a copy of the book.

Show starts 30 mins in and he begins discussing the chronological gospels after his guest interview.

http://aroodawakening.tv/teaching/shabbat-night-live-december-7-2012/

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

i was away for a few days dealing with a family matter, everything is fine and i am back home.

“Its clear that three entire days had to be encompassed or the term “Days and nights” would not have been used by the Lord. This is just like the creation: “The evening and the morning”

i beg to differ, but it is not “clear” at all. not only is it not clear, it is wrong.

i posed a question that will once and for all settle the issue, under Jewish law, how are days counted.

everyone knows Jewish male babies MUST be circumcised ON THE EIGHTH DAY.

now, suppose a Jewish baby is born at 5:30pm on the 4th day ( wednesday for the pagans ), on what day is the EIGHTH DAY, the day the baby MUST be circumcised.

now, those that hold to roodism, MUST answer the circumcision would take place on the fifth day.

orthodox Christians would answer the circumcision would take place on the 4th day.

surely roamer, errant and ES must have some Jewish friends who can settle the issue no?

one of my clients asked his conservative rabbi and the answer came back -

the 4th day!

[jjotto]

http://www.hanefesh.com/edu/Circumcision.htm

...On the eighth day after the baby is born, between sunrise and sunset is the appropriate time for the Bris ceremony. (I.e. if a baby is born at 11:30 AM on Monday, the Bris should take place the following Monday - eight days later)...

...If a baby is born during the evening anytime after sunset, Jewish tradition considers the next day to be the first day of the count. (I.e. if a baby is born at 11:30 PM Monday evening, Monday evening is considered part of the following Tuesday. So the Bris should take place the following Tuesday during the day...

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

that chart is very interesting and like many charts i have seen purporting to show how man evolved from apes, IT IS VERY WRONG.

two obvious errors:

1. it looks like according to the chart, Jesus is placed in the grave as the 5th day is starting. This can’t be, Jesus was laid in the grave THE SAME DAY as the day He died. If He died on the 4th day, He was buried on the 4th day. He actually died on the 6th day, and was buried on the 6th day.
How can we be absolutely sure of this? Joseph of Arimathea was a devout Jew, who would not have violated the Sabbath. John 19:42 says because of the day of Preparation, they laid Him in a tomb that was close at hand.
They had to first lay the body in the tomb and THEN ROLL THE ROCK OVER. Rolling the rock would have been work, therefore a violation of the Sabbath and must have been done PRIOR to sundown.

2. the chart indicates there were two Sabbaths that week, the Scriptures do not describe two Sabbaths that week. We never read of anyone RESTING TWICE, there is mention of resting JUST ONCE.
for example, Luke 23:54 is the sixth day, v23:56 is THE SABBATH and Luke 24:1 is the first day of the week. NO MENTION OF TWO SABBATHS, NO MENTION OF ANYONE RESTING TWO DAYS.
let’s see what Matthew says:
Matthew 27:61 is the sixth day, 27:62 is THE SABBATH and 28:1 is the first day of the week. entirely consistent with Luke, no two sabbaths and no mention of anyone resting two days.
no mention of two sabbaths or two days of rest in John, nor Mark.

one more glaring mistake in the chart is WE KNOW THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK WAS THE “THIRD DAY” SINCE THE CRUXIFICION.
now, you can do old math, new math, fuzzy math or any math you want, but YOU CAN’T MAKE THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK THE THIRD DAY SINCE WEDNESDAY ( the 4th day )
The first day of the week is the THIRD DAY since Friday, the sixth day (as any Jewish rabbi will tell you )

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

i also want to prove my contention that the idiomatic phrase “three days and three nights” has the same meaning for the first century Jew as the phrase “after three days” and “ on the third day”, they ALL MEAN ON THE THIRD DAY.

Matthew 27:62-66 proves this.

the Pharisees went to Pilate and said Jesus said “ after three days I will rise again”
now to the modern American reading the phrase after three days, that must mean day 4, day 5 or any other day after the close of the third day.
BUT, THE JEWS UNDERSTOOD IT DIFFERENTLY! they knew it was the same as saying “on the third day”, since v64 they requested Pilate to secure the grave “ until the third day”
what good is securing the grave “until” the third day, if Jesus said He would rise AFTER THREE DAYS?
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO A MODERN AMERICAN AS THEY ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS, BUT NOT TO THE FIRST CENTURY JEW.

in the same vein, first century Jews knew Jesus meant on the third day, when He said He would be in the grave three days and three nights.
it’s a shame that misunderstanding this idiomatic phrase has caused so many to turn away from 2,000 years of Christian teaching that Jesus died on the sixth day and rose on the first day.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Thank you jjotto!!

so if a baby is born on Monday at 11:30am, for the following Monday to be the eighth day, Wednesday WOULD BE THE THIRD DAY.

monday - 1st day
tuesday - 2nd day
wed - 3rd day
thurs - 4th day
fri - 5th day
sat - 6th day
sun - 7th day
monday - 8th day

SO, LOGICALLY IF THE BABY WAS BORN ON Wednesday, Sunday would be the 5th day, not THE THIRD DAY.

NOW, if the baby was born on Friday at 3:00pm, THE THIRD DAY WOULD BE SUNDAY.

What do you know, historical Christianity is proven right again.

[roamer_1]

surely roamer [...] must have some Jewish friends who can settle the issue no?

I am in Montana. Do you know how many cowboys are named 'Goldstein'? One can probably come close to single digits in assessing the entire Jewish population of the state! ;)

There are a few Messianic Jews I correspond with that are close to my outlook on this matter - And in no case, not a single one, do they believe in your church's scenario regarding these events.

Let's see what we have to reconcile:

The Bible says BOTH '3 days' and 'after 3 days' wrt death and resurrection.

The Bible says '3 days and 3 nights' wrt time in the ground.

The Bible says the selection of the passover lamb (what you would call the Triumphal Entry) was followed by 4 days of inspection - the fourth day being the 'preparation day' for the Passover.

The Bible defines a particular point '6 days before the Passover'.

Get out your crayons and draw a picture. There is NO WAY that all of those points can be reconciled into what you believe to be true.

And I tire of rattling through these points endlessly, only to have them ignored. If you have nothing new to add, then I guess we are in disagreement.

[dfwgator]

Do you know how many cowboys are named 'Goldstein'?

They called him Irving.
Big Irving.
Big, short Irving.
Big, short, fat Irving.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.

[jjotto]

Don’t know if Rood agrees with you or not, but even if he does, he’s still a kook and he’s still not Jewish.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

see jjotto’s post #252, he is Jewish and i think he better than you or I understands how the Jews count days.

Btw, jjotto smells a phony in rood and his claim to be Jewish. i am sure this claim helps him fool the gullible ( and make more $$, of course ), but jjotto and i are not fooled.

[Errant]

NOW, if the baby was born on Friday at 3:00pm, THE THIRD DAY WOULD BE SUNDAY.

Obviously, you need a more ROOD AWAKENING!!

Good to hear your family allowed you back in... Was getting worried after not seeing your silly/monotonous ramblings for awhile.

See my prescription for your mental health above and call/write me in the morning... ;)

Nite,