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“Where Are The Catholics?”
Catholic World Report ^ | November 27, 2012 | James V. Schall, S.J.

Posted on 11/27/2012 3:44:22 PM PST by NYer

On the morning after Thanksgiving, I was driving over to Frederick, Maryland with one of my nephews. On the car radio, he was listening to a talk radio program from WMAL in Washington. The host of the program was a man who described himself as a conservative Jew. He was talking of the increasing religious persecution within the United States. Several times throughout the program he pointed out that it was the Catholics who are more and more being singled out and discriminated against. The First Amendment on religious freedom seems almost a dead letter when it comes to Christians in general and Catholics in particular.

The host noted that if any similar criticism is directed toward other religious groups and religions, especially Islam, the whole world knows about it. And in some cases the world is threatened. Churches are burned in Islamic countries, Christians killed, and nothing much is said either by our government or in the press. Almost the only voice that seems systematically to defend a Catholic position, he remarked, is that of Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. The host went on to wonder why this silence is the case. Part of it, he thought, is because Catholics themselves do not seem to care too much, or else they are not aware of the dimensions of the issue. They think it will just go away.

Many writers and voices have pointed out that the present administration is by all odds the most anti-Catholic regime in this country’s history. That did not prevent some 50 percent of Catholics from voting for it. But that may be a clue about the problem. Often the leaders of those measures and decrees most against officially stated Catholic positions are formulated and carried out by those who are Catholics. Several other writers have argued that so long as these high-profile Catholics carry out anti-Catholic policies and remain in apparently good standing in the Church, many Catholics will conclude that, whatever the noise about these issues, it must be all right to be a Catholic and take positions contrary to what the bishops and Church seem to hold.

Why Catholics do not defend themselves against such attacks on their religion and their place in public life has long puzzled many sympathetic citizens. Part of the reason is that the current attacks—which revolve around marriage and family life and the proper order of one’s interior moral life—are not attacks against the faith as such. They are about what we can and should figure out from reason and natural law. Catholics are involved here not primarily because they are Catholics but because they are human beings. These issues are not what we usually call “religious” issues. It is true that, in many ways, the Church is the last public defender of the natural law and of reason itself in these areas, but that is because revelation does not replace but agrees with and heals reason when it goes wrong in its own order.

Immediately after the recent election, many writers (David Warren was perhaps the most accurate) sensed that a line had been crossed. It was not primarily an election about politics, about good or less good laws. It was an election about approving bad laws and about bad morals being elevated to the status of accepted, settled doctrine. That many Catholics in practice have already joined the opposition is obvious to everyone who cares to look at the evidence.

Much of this confusion has to do with the perennial problem of what was Vatican II’s response to modernity. Was Christianity the measure of modernity or was modernity the measure of Christianity? Many Christians, including Catholics, opted for the latter. The test turns out to be centered on children and families, over what is the proper atmosphere in which children should be begotten and raised. Indeed, the issue is whether most begotten children should exist or not, over whether we have a “right” to dispose of them as we will.

But if we spell out in a coherent fashion the issues—marriage, contraception, abortion, cloning, same-sex marriage, polygamy, parental authority—we become aware that what we are seeing before our eyes is the embodiment of earlier ideas now carried into reality. Of course, there are good ideas and bad ideas; this has been clear from the account in Genesis of the Fall. Its essential premise—that man, not God, is the maker of the distinction of good and evil—is the quintessence of bad ideas. It is this principle that lies behind all aberrations in family life and what surrounds it.

In this context, I have often wondered why it is that a Jew, the radio host, is the one most concerned over the failure of Catholics ably to defend themselves in the public order. Since, as I have said, these current aberrations in the public order are not about specifically theological issues but about those of natural law and reason, it is perhaps because the believing Jew can see the origin of the issue in one’s view of God’s initial plan of creation.

Many Catholic bishops did seek to point out the problem manifested in the election, in a choice of leadership. They evidently did influence many Catholic citizens to understand the nature of the threat against what the Church stands for. But it was not enough to change the results of the election, as many hoped it would. No doubt they will pay a price for this failure. On the other hand, the principle that something is radically wrong in the polity is at least on the table. When the chance arose to do something about the problem, the effort failed. This means the government has even less need to pay any attention to Catholic positions which are, in any case, seen as part of the problem.

Not a few writers have tried to put a ray of hope before us. All is not lost. Other elections will occur. But undoing what has now been done to family law and the understanding of marriage now involves the deeper issue of habits of disorder in the souls of so many of the population. While it is possible to rid ourselves of bad principles and habits, it is monumentally difficult, even if we want to. But for the most part, as a people, we do not want to. This election was, by most standards, an approval of the direction of the government, an assurance that it was on the right—that is, popular—path that rejects the central premises of reason about moral life.

The larger matter, if it is larger, is the central government has succeeded in positioning itself as the chief dispenser, not only of jobs, health, and well-being, but also of what is moral and right. Government has established a claim and an agenda that would make all real moral, economic, and political understanding and activity dependent on itself. The country has radically changed its soul from one that insisted the main actors are individuals and their voluntary organizations to one that holds the ungrounded government responsible for all the major (and minor) issues. In this new capacity the government conceives itself as being subject to nothing—not to the Constitution, amendments, reason, or natural law. It will not be put quite this way, but that is the effect. This is what we elected. The Jewish talk-show host was correct. Catholics are the target, the locus of what the government sees as the cause of its own problems. This government will brook no opposition to its plans. Catholics, insofar as they are Catholics, will be more and more singled out as the causes of the failures of public policies. If we are surprised at this turn of events, it can only be because we did not really understand what was at stake in the recent election.


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To: boop

Exactly why I finally had enough and left my Church and found a Christian Church that I honestly enjoy and look forward to Sunday. I leave with a fulfilled heart and soul. I just could not handle the hypocrisy any longer, it seemed pointless. It has saddened me though that the leadership has been so confused in their messaging. People like Pelosi,Kerry and Kennedy’s should have been made examples of and instead are allowed to do what they have done without any repercussions.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 4:57:49 PM PST by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: marygam

Excommunications come through the person’s own diocesan bishop.

Sebelius was excommunicated by her Bishop in Kansas.

Several of these people have been told not to present themselves for Communion.

Don’t lose heart — we welcome you back at any time. Sit down with a priest and get your questions answered.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 5:02:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

**Where are the Catholics?**

Busting the doors off my Catholic Church. We are in the middle of a Capital Campaign to build a new one!


23 posted on 11/27/2012 5:04:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

24 posted on 11/27/2012 5:12:11 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Salvation
I fear for organizations such as the Knights of Columbus.

Although it is not mandatory, I would imagine that the vast majority of councils have a building they call home. These buildings have mortgage payments and/or property taxes on them that have to be paid. Some of the money that goes to making these payments comes from renting out the building when it is not being used by the council.

If a gay couple requests to use the building for a wedding or reception and is denied, well that's that. The council will be sued, the gay couple will be given the building as damages, and the council will have to start meeting in members' living rooms.

The council might actually become stronger and gain more members over such controversies, but it will be a shame to lose the property and all of the associated memories.

25 posted on 11/27/2012 5:29:43 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: NYer

That Jew is Steve Malzberg.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 5:41:28 PM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: NYer

bkmk


27 posted on 11/27/2012 5:57:58 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Houghton M.
It's all very well to say that no real Catholics voted for Obama, Houghton M, and I know what you mean, but you can't deny it's a "No True Scotsman" argument.

When Henry VIII made his move to dump his wife and queen and marry the Boleyn woman, even if it meant dismantling the Catholic Church and murdering Her faithful, you could say that no Catholic bishop went along with that. But you'd still have to face that every Catholic bishop went along with it except John Fisher.

Call it the "Sensus Infidelium".

Our bishops, the 'good' ones as well as the 'bad', are unanimous in their unlawful defiance as regards Canon 915. They --- and we --- are reaping the results of that infidelity.

28 posted on 11/27/2012 6:02:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: NYer

“Where are the Catholics?”

Out buying ammo.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 6:05:34 PM PST by AbnSarge
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To: NYer

“Several other writers have argued that so long as these high-profile Catholics carry out anti-Catholic policies and remain in apparently good standing in the Church, many Catholics will conclude that, whatever the noise about these issues, it must be all right to be a Catholic and take positions contrary to what the bishops and Church seem to hold.”

I’m not sure how anyone can argue against this. Any sane first grade teacher knows you can’t teach without public discipline, but not most bishops. Think about this—they are actually bringing a case against the state yet haven’t yet used public discipline on those public Catholics that facilitated and continue to promote the other side in a public manner. It’s like managers that allow some of their players in the home uniform to bat for the visiting team in front of the home crowd. Just gives the impression that how the ball game turns out must not be too important to them.

Freegards


30 posted on 11/27/2012 6:13:04 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Salvation

If you don’t mind me asking...
Where is your church?
And, who is designing the new one?


31 posted on 11/27/2012 6:20:10 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

We’re doing a pretty good job filling ours six masses per weekend in Silver Spring Maryland.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 6:23:08 PM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Following Canon 915 today would be totally meaningless.

They should do it anyway. But it will mean zilch. It will simply be interpreted as a temper tantrum by stupid little boys. It will mean something to “real Catholics.”

But see, that’s the point. The distinction between real Catholics and fake Catholics real. So for you to fault me for making it misses the point.

The sifting has already taken place. Those who care already know that Sebelius and her ilk are the devil’s spawn and don’t need bishops to tell them that. Those who don’t care won’t miss a stride if the bishops do excommunicate them.

The bishops should do it anyway. But it won’t matter.

It’s over. The evidence of who is a real Catholic and who is not will come out in the fire of persecution. The bishops long ago gave away any de facto authority to excommunicate. In truth they have it but in practice they no longer have it.

Whatever.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 6:30:39 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: AustinBill

The time to clean house was in the 1960s and 1970s. They didn’t. Fault them all you want for that.

The bishops today cannot clean house in any real sense. They can do it but it will have no effect.

They should still do it. But don’t kid yourself that it will clarify anything for anyone except those who already are clear about this stuff—you and me and those like us. For the rest, the bishops cleaning house will mean nothing.

Sorry to disappoint you but looking for a solution from the bishops is hopeless. The time for that has passed.

They should still do it, for the record.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 6:34:14 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: MarkBsnr

Great cartoon!


35 posted on 11/27/2012 6:38:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ransomed

Anyone with common sense also knows that once a child is spoiled it’s too late to invoke parental authority.

It still has to be done but it won’t unspoil the child.

A parent, at least, can physically throw the spoiled child out of the house (and go to jail, I suppose). But a bishop cannot physically do that and anything he says to the spoiled CINOs will wash over them like the proverbial water off a duck’s back.

It’s too late. The children are spoiled. Their unspoiled siblings will hear the words but they already know their content. The ones who need to hear won’t.

The bishops should excommunicate anyway.

But it won’t unspoil the children. Sorry, it won’t. To think that it will is a pipedream and we have much more important things to focus on.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 6:39:30 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I think the Councils of KofC are getting away from that.


37 posted on 11/27/2012 6:40:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MarkBsnr

For#3

Fat, ugly and stupid is no way to go through life!


38 posted on 11/27/2012 6:44:30 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: NYer

I have very little sympathy for Catholics or most religions as a whole on this matter. Most have aligned themselves with the communists with the pro-queer, pro-abortion, anti-business, social justice, wealth redistribution, etc. Now that their ox is getting gored, they want everyone to enthusiastically jump in and save them. Maybe they need to get off their lazy a$$es and start preaching to their flocks what is really in the bible. If they don’t have enough gumption to call Pelosi, Reid, Obama, etc. for what they really are and what they actually stand for, then they’ll get what they asked for....sh!t on, discriminated against, and eventually persecuted just as bad or worse than what the Nazi’s did to the Jews.


39 posted on 11/27/2012 6:50:37 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: AbnSarge

What church?
I’m over in Garrett Park.


40 posted on 11/27/2012 6:51:11 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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