Posted on 11/28/2012 3:46:35 PM PST by NYer
I understand fully well what you’re talking about but you forgot to mention the many American volunteers who fought on the communist side in Spain. No American volunteers on the opposing side as far as I know.
And talking about persecution of the Church — don’t think it can’t happen in the US. How many American “Catholics” voted for Obama whose government may just start to question the Church’s rights here at home. And should a persecution ensue, we can thank these American catholic voters for making it happen.
“you forgot to mention the many American volunteers who fought on the communist side in Spain. No American volunteers on the opposing side as far as I know.”
I did mention the American volunteers; a large number of them were Bolsheviks who weren’t even born Christian. Franco’s side had volunteers from Ireland, who described their fighting as “faith in action”.
As for Obama persecuting the Church, that has already started with ObamaCare (besides the regular, daily run-of-the-mill attacks on Christianity by our leftist media). In my state (NJ), the government is successfully eliminating the Church from healthcare (by requiring treatment for uninsured, then reducing reimbursement for such required treatments) and education (by imposing such high education taxes for the public schools that private education is available to a small number of wealthy people). My diocese has already gotten out of the hospital business, and is steadily withdrawing from the education business (several schools closing annually).
I have no misconceptions about where faith stands with the leftists and their puppet Obama.
“The Catholic vote is not going anywhere, it is returning to it’s historical place, a permanently democratic vote”
BS! Years ago Catholics voted overwhelmingly for democrats because ABORTION WAS NOT AN ISSUE. Sodomite “marriage” didn’t exist. All Catholics were pro-life back then. Democrats were as much pro-life as republicans. JFK was pro-life, LBJ was pro-life, Jimmy Carter was pro-life. The list goes on.
Church-going Catholics vote for the pro-life candidate. Heathens that never go to church, but still call themselves “Catholic” vote for the pagan candidate. This is repeated in all faiths. Makes no difference if you are Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Lutheran. If you take your faith seriously you don’t vote for some heathen that believes in killing children and sodomite “marriage”. It’s time that the Roman Catholic Church put a copyright on the word Catholic. If not, these heathens will continue to embarrass REAL CATHOLICS, and the liberal media will continue to try and classify them as normal Catholic voters. The media hates anything to do with Christianity.
The Catholic vote is not going anywhere, it is returning to it’s historical place, a permanently democratic vote.
1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2004, the times when Catholics broke away from the democrat party.
You need to worry about those 30 or so million black evangelicals that voted for brother Obummer. That’s not about to change. The most reliable pro-death voting block in the country is black evangelicals, most of them being Southern Baptists.
No one can explain blacks, not even in voting, it appears that Catholic, and Protestant, and atheist, and Jewish, and Muslim blacks all vote the same.
Hispanics are a different story, we all know how Hispanics who are members of the Catholic church, and Hispanic atheists vote, but Hispanics who are Christians, but do not belong to the Catholic denomination, are in play, in fact in 2004, they voted republican by 56%, and in 2008, 48% republican, we have a chance of winning them to pro-life, republican voting.
Like I told you before, the 59% of white Catholics that voted for Romney make up more votes than 100% of the second largest Christian demonination, the Southern Baptists, that voted for Romney. Anyone that calls themselves Catholic and votes for pro-abortion candidates have forfeited the right to call themselves Catholic and should not be counted as such. The Catholic, UNLIKE protestant churches, does not let you pick and choose what moral issues you will follow. You can not be a Catholic and vote for pro-death politicians. It’s as simple as that. This is something the liberal media (who hates the Catholic Church) will never tell anyone when discussing how much of the “catholic” vote the pro-death Obama got. All this is contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has rules to live by if you want to be considered a Catholic. No other Christian faith does. It’s all left up the individual. In these faiths doctrine is set by a show hands. Doctrine in the Catholic Church is determined by the Word of God. There is no black and white. Only truth, and the truth is not subjective.
Yeah, for the first and only time in history, the white people that belong to the Catholic denomination, voted that high for the pro-life republican, but so what?
Unfortunately, the Catholic denomination is a denomination, not a race, all Catholics are members of the same denomination, a denomination that has almost always been loyal to the democrats, and still are, and forever will be.
incorrect -- read the votes for Ronald Reagan.
Also, the Democrats until the 70s were pretty much pro-life.
No.
59% is the record.
For the first and only time in history, the white people that belong to the Catholic denomination, voted that high for the pro-life republican.
Unfortunately, the Catholic denomination is a denomination, not a race, all Catholics are members of the same denomination, a denomination that has almost always been loyal to the democrats, and still are, and forever will be.
If your read post 39, then you should know to quit calling me a Southern Baptist, I’m not.
America’s second largest denomination, is also it’s most pro-life though, with 80% of them voting republican in 2008, and probably the same this time.
A pro-lifer would be very pleased with that, but Southern Baptists catch it from all sides, even some supposedly pro-life people from pro-abortion denominations, jump on them for not being perfect.
Oh so what. Meeting a head of state is not the same thing as endorsing.
oh, so then how many of your denomination voted for the dims?
the 20% of Southern Baptists who voted Dim, i would bet are from the North-East.
One can't blame all dims for the 20% who voted for dims, neither can one blame other religious groups
so the Hispanics who belong to denominations still voted 52% for Obama. Hispanics belonging to the Church voted 70% -- that's bad, and yet 52% ain't quite that significantly better.
Also, these statistics ignores the areas where the Hispanics voted D
Been interesting exchanging thoughts with you. I can tell you are searching in your faith quest. Study the Catholic faith and you will see that all roads lead to Rome. One day I am certain you see the light and become Catholic. It’s not easy being Catholic, we are persecuted daily, but God said we would be. Catholicism (I mean believing Catholics) is not for wimps and you would make a fine Catholic. Check it out and God bless you on your journey.
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The Hispanics who belonged the Catholic denomination are a consistent over 70% pro-abortion vote for the democrats, and Hispanics who belong to one of the non-Catholic denominations, are close to a 50/50 vote, for instance 56% pro-life GOP in 2004 and 48% pro-life GOP in 2008.
Pro-lifers can gain hope from these numbers, and see that Catholic immigration is not necessarily the end of America and of conservatism.
This thread is about voting, in a democracy, the vote will win or lose for us and as we see, we now learn something to work with in regards to Hispanic immigrants, they can be led to voting pro-life.
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