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Why Jews don't believe in Jesus
Aish ^ | Dec 6, 2012 | Rabbi Simmons

Posted on 12/06/2012 3:46:27 AM PST by yinandyang

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

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TOPICS: Judaism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: jesus; jewishjesus; jewishmessiah; jews; jewsandjesus; judaism; messianicjews
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1 posted on 12/06/2012 3:46:35 AM PST by yinandyang
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To: yinandyang

He actually did meet all four points. But.......bad for you.
If Christian believers are wrong - nothing lost.
If you are wrong - you have lost everything.
You might do a little more research there!


2 posted on 12/06/2012 3:54:38 AM PST by dgkb
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To: yinandyang

Jesus Himself gave the impression that the Jews knew who He was (in his parable of the landlord and the tenants); they beat the servants sent to collect the rents, and kill the landlord’s son (who they definitely recognize). Some Jews did accept Jesus as the Son of God (the first Christians), while others, though they knew who He was, rejected Him.

The punishment in the parable isn’t enviable; God will decide that.


3 posted on 12/06/2012 3:59:42 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: yinandyang

Gentiles are grateful for your rejection.

Israel does get a second chance.

Understand the theology from an evangelical perspective.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 4:01:42 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: yinandyang

Messianic Jews surely believe in Jesus.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 4:04:43 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: dgkb; Yehuda
If Christian believers are wrong - nothing lost.

Lots of people have fallen for that one.

6 posted on 12/06/2012 4:10:12 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: yinandyang

They will.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 4:10:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: yinandyang

OK, Now that I know why Jews don’t believe in Jesus, someone please tell me why American Jews believe in Obama.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 4:12:36 AM PST by Venturer
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To: yinandyang

Even if Jews at the time of Christ did not believe Him to be the Messiah, I figure 2,000+ years without any more prophets would pretty much settle the question for any objective person.


9 posted on 12/06/2012 4:13:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: yinandyang

One of the greatest gifts a man can give another man is to accept that he reveres his religion as you do yours. Right now in the world, only Islam does not allow others their life and liberty. But when our pilgrims left Europe, that was not true.

Jews think Christianity is great — for Christians. We love your devotion, honesty, and kindness.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 4:16:22 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: yinandyang

Why Jews Don’t Believe In Jesus & Why Muslims Don’t Believe In Jesus.


11 posted on 12/06/2012 4:16:27 AM PST by existentially_kuffer
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To: yinandyang

There are so many mistakes in that article, I am very surprised that Aish published it. Having said that, there are reasons, many, why Hebrews do not accept Jesus as the messiah but I will not dis those who do.
And for the record, there is no such thing as a messianic jew. You can be one or the other, but not both.


12 posted on 12/06/2012 4:17:20 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: dgkb

“He actually did meet all four points. But.......bad for you.”

Actually, no, he didn’t. The Hebrew Moschiach will be descended from TWO houses. David and Aaron.


13 posted on 12/06/2012 4:21:24 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: dgkb
If Christian believers are wrong - nothing lost.

Except for we Christians.

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. (1 Corinthians 15:12-19 ESV)

14 posted on 12/06/2012 4:32:21 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: yinandyang

Obvious Christian premise. Jews look for a Messiah, not THE Messiah.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 4:35:58 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: MestaMachine

“And for the record, there is no such thing as a messianic jew. You can be one or the other, but not both.”

I have to disagree. There are many people, Jewish ethnically, who believe in Jesus as the Messiah. Though some claim the existence of a “God gene” which causes humans to instictively search for God, there is no evidence that the search for God is limited by our DNA.


16 posted on 12/06/2012 4:39:10 AM PST by Josephat
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To: yinandyang

It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do. Does anyone really not understand this?

This notion that one better accept Jesus just in case is sad to me. Anyone who wants to impose their beliefs as universal truths are wasting everyone’s time.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 4:39:10 AM PST by sakic
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To: yinandyang

It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do. Does anyone really not understand this?

This notion that one better accept Jesus just in case is sad to me. Anyone who wants to impose their beliefs as universal truths are wasting everyone’s time.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 4:39:38 AM PST by sakic
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To: existentially_kuffer

Actually there are Christians who are Jews, and Messianic Baptists, and Muslims and Jews who believe in Jesus.

It is a great big world out there.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 4:40:27 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: yinandyang

The entire history of the Jews is one of them running away and rejecting the God who delivered them from slavery in Egypt. Why should we believe it would be any different with regard to their Messiah. God has hardened their heart now, until the times of the Gentiles have been fulfilled.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 5:00:06 AM PST by circlecity
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To: sakic

You may want to consider that Jesus was a Rabbi for the House of Hillel. That would be a student of a Jewish Rabbi.

It is very difficult to understand Jesus, in fact, if you don’t hear him from a Jewish backdrop.

Jesus is supported for us by Moses, in Leviticus.

Jesus is a Jew. Mary and Joesph are Jews. The Disciples were Jewish. Paul is the only Gentile. Christianity is a belief in the Jewish Messiah.

I think your statement just lacks understanding.


21 posted on 12/06/2012 5:15:44 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: yinandyang
If the Messiah has not come than how do you deal with Daniel 9..... Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'

From the day of that declaration the period of time ended when Jesus came into Jerusalem riding on a colt. He was "cut-off" (executed)in the midst of the week (Wednesday) was in the grave 3 days (remember Jonah) and after His resurrection was denied by the Jews. Now most importantly the city was destroyed! The prophet Daniel said it would happen AFTER the Messiah was cut-off!!! Hello - THE CITY WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD!!!

22 posted on 12/06/2012 5:26:16 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: MestaMachine
And for the record, there is no such thing as a messianic jew. You can be one or the other, but not both.

Interesting concept, but I'm unaware of which tenet of Judaism requires rejection of the Jewish Messiah? Is it not logical that the Messiah would add to Judaism, similarly to Abraham, Moses, and the prophets?

If I were a Jew, I would be more concerned with what appears to be popular atheists-heathens who also loudly proclaim their Jewish identity. Certainly as a Christian, I am more concerned with the same types who identify "Christian", than I am with quirky sects of Christianity.

23 posted on 12/06/2012 5:26:34 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Truth2012
Paul is the only Gentile

Paul wasn't a gentile.

24 posted on 12/06/2012 5:29:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: sakic
Anyone who wants to impose their beliefs as universal truths are wasting everyone’s time.

Including Jesus Himself, apparently.

25 posted on 12/06/2012 5:33:02 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: RoosterRedux

Very sloppy posting on my part, my apologies. Paul was converted to talk to the Gentiles. Paul was the only Apostle to the Gentiles.

(Also, I should have written that Joesph and Mary (were) Jews).


26 posted on 12/06/2012 5:35:15 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

I understand this:

Christians murdered countless Jews since the inception of Christianity. Thankfully that seems to have for the most part abated. The Moslems are now the standardbearers for that task.

While I am happy that Christians no longer persecute Jews, I wish your reasonings about the shared common ancestories had been the beliefs of Christian history.

To now tell a Jew that he does not understand any of this topic is your opinion but it is not mine.


27 posted on 12/06/2012 5:41:03 AM PST by sakic
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To: Truth2012
No prob.

As you probably know, some folks think Paul was not technically "a Jew" because he was not from the tribe of Judah (he was a Hebrew from the tribe of Benjamin and studied under Gamaliel).

28 posted on 12/06/2012 5:45:20 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: Truth2012
Paul is the only Gentile.

Paul was a Pharisee, extremely well educated and well-versed in the Old Testament (if you read his letters, you will know).

He preached to the Gentiles, but he certainly wasn't one himself.

29 posted on 12/06/2012 5:57:08 AM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: sakic

Well, the history is there, if you are a Jew then you know about the House of Hilel, no doubt. You may choose to ignore the history, I guess.

I am a Jew as well, so you telling me that I don’t understand this topic, is your opinion and not mine.

I am referring to your statement that a Jew could not have ties to Christianity.

Perhaps a Hisadic Jew does not have any ties to Christianity. (For example) But I was trying to show you that a blanket statement about all Jews, is just not correct. I was hoping you might learn something.

In Jewish tradition, Jewish ancestry is traced to the Biblical patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the second millennium BCE.

You might want to be more clear about your terms. Are you a Hisadic Jew? (for example)

As far as Christians murdering and persecuting Jews... um, yeah, history is full of people murder and persecuting each other. Let’s remember that Jews have murdered Christians, in fact, the Jews were the ones who incited the Romans to kill Jesus,himself.

People, without the understanding of God, do all sorts of horrible things to each other. And thus, we all need God, to show us how to live together in peace.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 5:58:29 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: yinandyang
I grew up in south Georgia, and our next door neighbours were Jewish. Guy had red hair, blue eyes and a Polish last name. Wish I could have spent more time talking to him.

I did talk to a professor I had, and of course the first thing he said was 'I'm not a rabbi'. The concept of Messianic Judaism just seems to make sense to me. This professor said, 'We have a word for those people - Christians.'

I later talked to an actual rabbi who confirmed my professor's claim. So I'm still searching. I grew up mainly in the Presbyterian church. Sorry if this post kinda rambled.

31 posted on 12/06/2012 5:59:29 AM PST by real saxophonist (Stay In The Fight)
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To: RoosterRedux

I am glad to correct that because it is important! I agree with you. Esp now, with the current events and the whole, Conversion on the road to Damascus, story.

That is good stuff and timely!

The story of adoption and Jewish adoption laws is a fascinating topic, in and of itself, right?

Who has the right to claim they are a Jew, and a Son of God, or a Son of David. (And does it really matter to our salvation?)Can we hold on to religious traditions, familial traditions and still hear God? Do we follow the laws of Moses, or the assume we are not under the law- as some read in new Testament?

Who does God love and favor?

Big things to think about. :)


32 posted on 12/06/2012 6:08:21 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Disambiguator

Yes. Thank you. I correct that. I meant to say only Gentile Apostle.


33 posted on 12/06/2012 6:14:17 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: yinandyang

bflr


34 posted on 12/06/2012 6:20:11 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Alberta's Child
Even if Jews at the time of Christ did not believe Him to be the Messiah

well, many Jews did believe in Him -- they became the first Christians. And St. Thomas went to India to convert Jews there -- and they became the Marthomite Christians, whose descendants are still in Kerala

35 posted on 12/06/2012 6:20:49 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: yinandyang

...How illuminating it is to here about these many different views relating to the Son of God...it is very much like children arguing with a parent about what is right and wrong
even though their perception of real is somewhat biased and juvenile...Jesus Christ is the Son of God , and faith is that which can be breached and slandered , but never broken by the acts of Mankind...you have been given the keys to immortality, however , many will refuse to unlock that which has been placed before them and will truly inherit a different fate which has also been foretold...perhaps its time for Mankind to once again bring forth past events and view them in a new spectrum of light , or will you dwell in darkness forever...


36 posted on 12/06/2012 6:25:11 AM PST by Sophia Androanz ("Once again the Doves are sold in the marketplace")
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To: sakic
It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do. Does anyone really not understand this?

hmmm... why? Note that Christianity holds that God is One, Jesus being part of a Trinity. Of course, I agree that non-Christians would not be able to accept this, but I mean it's not impossible from a strictly logical point of view to be Jewish and accept a Triune God -- still monotheistic.

however, I repeat, it is your choice to believe what you wish -- God be with you.

37 posted on 12/06/2012 6:25:11 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Truth2012
Paul is the only Gentile

? St. Paul was of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin.

You mean St. Luke I guess?

38 posted on 12/06/2012 6:29:16 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: sakic
no longer persecute Jews

well, this is a fallout of the early reverse persecution (which was a drop in comparison yes) both in the 1st century in ISrael and then in the 6th century in Yemen -- drops in the ocean...

39 posted on 12/06/2012 6:34:26 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Truth2012
a Hisadic Jew

don't you mean Chasidic?

40 posted on 12/06/2012 6:38:18 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I have corrected that about Paul.

BUT, I believe Luke was Jewish. He understood the Old Testament ,and seemed to refer to himself as a Jew in Acts.

I believe the idea of whether or not Luke was a Jew, or Jewish is answered for us in the book of Ruth.

The story of a kinship redeemer.

Who is redeemed, who is adopted? Who is a Jew? What is Jewish?

Personally, I believe all the disciples are Jews.


41 posted on 12/06/2012 6:41:46 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: yinandyang

We Jews looked upon Yashua as the One to remove oppression little realizing He first came as a “messenger” - then to return as a conquering Messiah to save Israel. The article should have said “Why Jews Didn’t Believe In Jesus” not “Don’t”. As for not fulfilling messianic prophecies read the Book of Isaiah.


42 posted on 12/06/2012 6:42:26 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: real saxophonist

There are either believers or unbelievers...saved or the lost(unsaved)

There is no smoking or non smoking section in heaven and I cant believe there would be any denominational sections..

Jew, Christian, Catholic, Presbsyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, etc etc....on and on and on...

Believer or unbeliever... that is what you are.. one thing we all have in common. We are sinners and need to be saved.... Jews who don’t believe in Jesus are lost... same way as the gentile down the street or next door....
Jesus either lied, was a lunatic or is exactly who He said He is- Lord.


43 posted on 12/06/2012 6:59:38 AM PST by delchiante
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To: RoosterRedux; Truth2012
...The Disciples were Jewish...

Might be nit picking your phrasing, but it also worth pointing out that Paul was not one of the original 12 Disciples of Jesus, nor even one of the original 12 Apostles, but rather an "apostle of the Gentiles" as he himself phrased it. He only encountered Jesus after the crucifixion on the road to Damascus.

While I feel confident you know these details, the terms Disciple and Apostle are often conflated (even within the Gospel of John) so this might be helpful for others.

44 posted on 12/06/2012 7:07:27 AM PST by Jeff F
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To: MestaMachine
The Hebrew Moschiach will be descended from TWO houses. David and Aaron.

Jesus was from both Houses. Mary, his mother, was cousin to Elizabeth (mother of John the Baptist) who is described as being a descendant of Aaron (Luke 1:5), thus making Mary a descendant of Aaron as well as from David's lineage.

According to Ben Sirach, the descent in the Davidic line works differently from the descent of the children of Aaron. Descent in the Davidic line is only from father to son, while descent from Aaron passes through all children, male and female. Jesus can only be an heir to David through his father Joseph, but he could be an heir to Aaron through his mother’s family.

What we know about Mary’s family and ancestry is that she is a blood relative of Elizabeth, wife of the priest Zechariah. Elizabeth herself is described as a daughter of Aaron, carrying the inheritance of the children of Aaron. As her blood relative, Mary can also be expected to be a daughter of the house of Aaron and Jesus to receive from his mother the right of descent that would make it possible for him to be the priestly messiah, the Messiah of Aaron.

45 posted on 12/06/2012 7:08:34 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: wesagain
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city...

Seventy "Weeks" is written as Seventy "Sevens". This is alternately interpreted as being either 70 weeks as you quote, or as 70 x 7 biblical years of 360 days. The later translation leads though some abstruse calendar math roughly to the time period of March/April of AD 32 or 33. That coincides with Jesus' entrance riding on a donkey into Jerusalem - the moment at which he revealed himself to be the Messiah.

There is enough fuzziness in the language and math that I don't know if this interpretation can unequivocally be claimed as confirmed prophesy, however it certainly is interesting.

46 posted on 12/06/2012 7:34:52 AM PST by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F

I think you addressed this to me in error.;-)


47 posted on 12/06/2012 7:38:50 AM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: sakic
It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do. Does anyone really not understand this?

Depends on your definition of Jew. I know some Messianic Jews, and they practice both Christianity and the Jewish traditions.

Questions: do you think it's possible to be atheist and still Jewish? There are plenty of people around who are atheist, of Jewish descent, and are still considered Jews by many Jews.

How about a Jew who decides to convert of Buddhism? To Islam?

If someone comes who a bunch of rabbis decide to proclaim as the Messiah, and other rabbis disagree, which side stops being considered Jewish? Majority vote?

48 posted on 12/06/2012 7:48:33 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: sakic

Sakic...by your definition of Jewish , Jesus was not Jewish..


49 posted on 12/06/2012 7:52:36 AM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: MestaMachine

Jesus: Son of David and Son of Aaron

Abstract
Messianic Patterns and Possibilities
The Identity of the Messiah of Aaron
Numbers
Zechariah
Rule of the Community at Qumran
Damascus Covenant
Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs
The Levitical Ancestry of Jesus
Conclusion
References

Abstract

It is generally accepted that there was an unreconciled diversity of opinion in the first century about the person of the Messiah between groups and even within single groups within Judaism. There can be as many as four messianic roles identified: the king of the house of David, the priest of the house of Aaron, the war leader of the house of Joseph, and the prophet representing Elijah. The goal of this paper is to look at first century expectations around the priestly messiah, the Messiah of Aaron, and to consider whether Jesus was an eligible candidate to fill that particular messianic role. First it will explore the understanding of the role of priestly messiah based on references in Numbers and Zechariah, and then consider that role in the Qumran Community Rule, the Damascus Covenant, and the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs.

This priestly messiah is identified as a descendant of Aaron. Jesus is often referred to as a descendant of David, but is he a descendant of Aaron as well? According to Ben Sirach, the descent in the Davidic line works differently from the descent of the children of Aaron. Descent in the Davidic line is only from father to son, while descent from Aaron passes through all children, male and female. Jesus can only be an heir to David through his father Joseph, but he could be an heir to Aaron through his mother’s family.

What we know about Mary’s family and ancestry is that she is a blood relative of Elizabeth, wife of the priest Zechariah. Elizabeth herself is described as a daughter of Aaron, carrying the inheritance of the children of Aaron. As her blood relative, Mary can also be expected to be a daughter of the house of Aaron and Jesus to receive from his mother the right of descent that would make it possible for him to be the priestly messiah, the Messiah of Aaron.

http://www.jeanrisley.org/W2articles/WhoArtAaron.htm


50 posted on 12/06/2012 7:52:51 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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