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Mormon church wants more compassion for gays
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| December 6, 2012
Posted on 12/07/2012 7:55:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39
Mormon leaders unveiled a new website Thursday encouraging church members to be compassionate in discussions about homosexuality.
Church officials insist they haven't changed the Mormon teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman and that same-sex relationships are sinful.
However, the website includes an appeal to gay and lesbian Mormons to stay in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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"We must not judge anyone for the feelings they experience," church authorities wrote, saying homosexuality "should not be viewed as a disease or illness."
The website does not use the words "gay" or "lesbian," the terms preferred by the gay community.
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Many gay Mormons say they have been rejected by their families and have left the church.
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To: 1010RD; All
It's not my Council of Gods... (1010rd)
Sure it is. You're the closet Mormon from Illinois on board here...the one who doesn't like to tout he is such.
I don't see other FR religionists touting Joseph Smith and his "council of gods." Do you?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote, "He became like human beings, so that we would be like him." (1010rd)
Godliness and Christlikeness is not becoming LORD of your own world and having beings worship you and pray to you.
At times in the Bible, people began to worship perfect angels and the angels flatly told them, "Don't do it."
Are you claiming because we can be gracious and merciful and that God is Gracious and Merciful, we are "gods?" The communicable attributes of God are ones we tend to ALREADY have -- simply in a much lesser degree. I suppose you think then, that we are divine ALREADY!
if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ (1010rd)
Did you ever stop to think that, yes, heirs can receive something of great value of inheritance...but that they don't change essence? A family dog can inherit much left to him when his owner dies; that doesn't mean he gets to eventually become a human being.
Here's Paul's take on it: (Young's Literal Translation)... and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ -- if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together. Here are some other translations of the same verse: http://bible.cc/romans/8-17.htm Here's the critical Greek: http://biblesuite.com/greek/sundoxastho_men_4888.htm It too has just a singular use: συνδοξασθῶμεν (syndoxasthōmen) 1 Occurrence Romans 8:17 V-ASP-1P BIB: ἵνα καὶ συνδοξασθῶμεν NAS: that we may also be glorified with [Him]. KJV: we may be also glorified together. INT: that also we might be glorified together. (1010rd)
You know, 1010, we've been over this particular ground (Romans 8) once before...I'll bold-face Romans 8:17 below so you can actually glean something this go-round:
Here's what I said back then:
Key Q: Is it the obedience of the son that nets a son his inheritance from his father? Not usually. Oh sure, the disobedience of a son may "disqualify" him for the inheritance, but being an heir means receiving an inheritance based upon relationship (sonship), not twisting it like 1010RD has done. [And, of course, as I said, a true son truly obeys...but that's not the source of what we receive -- like Bible-spinners like 1010RD wants to accomplish]
As inheritances go in real life, so it was in the apostle Paul's world:
Romans 4:14: For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless...
Gal. 3:18: For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
Heb. 9:15: For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritancenow that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Now who did the "qualification" for what we inherit -- God or manWhen John 1:12 makes it quite clear that the Father gave authority to us to become his sons. Just as sons do in earthly life, the Father has set it up to allow His sons to likewise receive an inheritance:
Romans 8:17: Now if we are children, then we are heirsheirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Finally, just to underscore who does the qualifying -- just to set slippery 1010RD's contentions, God does. [Yes, a disobedient son can disqualify himself, but that doesn't mean "qualifications" for eternal life/exaltation belong to man:
Col. 1:12: ...giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
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ALL: Lds promote that they are "children of God" and that we are heirs. But heirs don't have to boast some long "to DO" checklist to become heirs -- they simply are to BE children of God.
Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death [or did you think you could become an heir & gain a "testimony" only by His life???] and by His ensuing gift to me...NOT an heir based upon...
...my works,
...my obedience,
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my commandment-keeping,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on... ..me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomering back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.
LDS: join us in concluding that you could never do all you could do -- including love as Jesus loves -- in order to coax God's grace to eventually kick in (2 Nephi 25:23)
(Join us in trying to stop manipulating how God thinks about you -- He already knows us perfectly -- and a temple recommend checklist is mere religiosity -- not a relationship with the true Jesus)
Do you rejoice with the truth that he who believes in Jesus HAS eternal life -- not just WILL have -- but has it NOW? (John 3:36; 5:24; 17:3; 1 John 5:10-13).
Compare all this to Joseph Smith and Smith disciples like 1010rd:
"...[The righteous who have died] shall rise again to dwell in everlasting BURNINGS in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? To inherit the SAME power, the same glory, and the SAME exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a god, and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of Presidents: Joseph Smith, pp. 221-222, 2007, quoting History of the Church, 6:306)
Smith's above is TOTAL ARROGANCE, HUBRIS, AND PRIDE
They emphasize a different God than the God of the LDS which God man is made in the image and likeness. (1010RD)
Yeah, 1010, Christians DO have a "different God" than the Mormons. (Glad you concede that!)
Funny how you take God's physical appearance as literal...and yet Mormons say God doesn't have literal blood.
And if Adam was made in God's image, then I suppose your wife & daughters & other women weren't made in God's image, eh? Are you sexist in that regard?
What do you do with verses like John 4:24 and Isaiah 31:3...just erase them from your Bible? But the Egyptians are mere mortals and not God; their horses are flesh and not spirit. (Isaiah 31:3)
To: Colofornian; All; 1010RD
ALL: Since 1010rd was citing the common Mormon
MISinterpretations of what being an "heir" of Heavenly Father includes...
...which, btw,
BIBLICALLY is sharing in God's RICHES in His glorious kingdom [see 1 Corinthians 3:21-23 for details on that]...
...I quoted Joseph Smith in my last post...which shows how ridiculous Smith waxed away on this subject.
Here, I'll repeat that quote:
"...[The righteous who have died] shall rise again to dwell in everlasting BURNINGS in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? To inherit the SAME power, the same glory, and the SAME exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a god, and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of Presidents: Joseph Smith, pp. 221-222, 2007, quoting History of the Church, 6:306)
Did you catch that phrase, "everlasting burnings?"
Sounds a bit like hell, eh?
Of all the teachings that was most horrific about what Smith taught, this was the topper...: "...you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves...going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one...from exaltation to exaltation, until you...are able to dwell... (pp. 346-347)
Well, "until you...are able to dwell" where? WHERE were the "ghost-lights" -- the demon-lights of Smith telling him where he & his followers would dwell??? It's right there on p. 347: "until you...are able to dwell in everlasting BURNINGS." Whoaaa.
Smith must have felt the guilt gnawing at him from no assurance of forgiveness of sins; but he wouldn't let go of his "everlasting burnings" teaching late in life: "Those who have done wrong always have that wrong gnawing them. Immortality dwells in everlasting BURNINGS." (ToPJS, p. 367)
These spirits craving their own "immortality" as false gods wouldn't let go of Smith...and actually occasionally told him the truth...as they did about "everlasting burnings"...They had the last laugh at Smith's -- and his followers' -- expense.
If you think I made up these quotes, look them up for yourselves...and leave this "spirit world" religion that is more obsessed with the dead than ANY religion ever!!! Run! Sprint!
To: Colofornian
63
posted on
12/08/2012 9:05:44 PM PST
by
ejonesie22
(8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
To: Colofornian
I don't see other FR religionists touting Joseph Smith and his "council of gods." Do you? Oh even COMMENTING on my reply #41!!
64
posted on
12/09/2012 3:58:11 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian
Smith's above is TOTAL ARROGANCE, HUBRIS, AND PRIDENow now - isn't this a harsh judgement of the poor man?
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JESUS: No...
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JESUS: Nope.
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
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posted on
12/09/2012 3:59:42 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian
If you think I made up these quotes, look them up for yourselves...and leave this "spirit world" religion that is more obsessed with the dead than ANY religion ever!!! Run! Sprint!
Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me.
If I say to the wicked, You shall surely die, and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
But LORD! It's mighty hard to avoid them; yet at the same time to WARN them!
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
So that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
Deuteronomy 30:11-20
The Choice of Life and Death
For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?
But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today,
by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply,
and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish.
You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse.
Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him,
for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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posted on
12/09/2012 4:17:39 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ..
No mormon has tried to explain to me exactly WHY God would be bound by their manmade rituals. It must be that THEIR "god" was a weakling human that had to work his way up to "divinity" by scoring higher on the "Be a god in one easy lesson" test than his peers, (also weakling humans)....therefore, their god takes orders given in their temples by the way of handshakes and chants from the chosen mortals of mormondom.
Your post #62 HERE bears repeating often, especially this excerpt:
*************************************
ALL: Lds promote that they are "children of God" and that we are heirs. But heirs don't have to boast some long "to DO" checklist to become heirs -- they simply are to BE children of God.
Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death [or did you think you could become an heir & gain a "testimony" only by His life???] and by His ensuing gift to me...
NOT an heir based upon...
...my works,
...my obedience,
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my commandment-keeping,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on... ..me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomering back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.
LDS: join us in concluding that you could never do all you could do -- including love as Jesus loves -- in order to coax God's grace to eventually kick in (2 Nephi 25:23)
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posted on
12/09/2012 8:29:41 AM PST
by
greyfoxx39
(Ann Romney "ascending to the White House was their destiny."http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics)
To: Elsie
SCORE
Hornets 1
Crickets 0
68
posted on
12/09/2012 1:38:20 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
To: panaxanax
People that post this nonsense should be ashamed.
To: BlueMoose
71
posted on
12/10/2012 11:15:49 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: BlueMoose
Ashamed?
Of WHAT??
Pointing out HERESY???
72
posted on
12/10/2012 11:16:54 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: BlueMoose
I agree, the subject of this article is nonsense.
73
posted on
12/10/2012 11:48:27 AM PST
by
ejonesie22
(8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
To: ejonesie22
Two responses so far:
two irate MORMONs that their attention was drawn to quotes from a MORMON prophet.
74
posted on
12/10/2012 2:58:25 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ejonesie22
Send FReep Mail to
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75
posted on
12/10/2012 2:59:33 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
76
posted on
12/10/2012 3:01:36 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
two irate MORMONs that their attention was drawn to quotes from a MORMON prophet.
source please.
To: Texan Tory
Amen, very well said, and according to Chrst’s teachings and His Spirit.
To: BlueMoose
Sadly, for some of those who do, there is none.
In the mean time, we can rejoice in our Lord Jesus and that His atonement is more than strong enough for all who, “come unto Him,” as he bids, even in their weakness, knowing that if the endure to the end...even with such feelings/temptations as these, they will find full joy in the end in His redemption, as He as promised.
To: BlueMoose
80
posted on
12/10/2012 5:02:48 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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