Sin is "missing the mark" of God's perfection. Anyone who has raised kids knows that they fall short of God's perfection almost as soon as they learn the word, "NO"! So, we all sin because it is our nature to rebel against God. We have no choice, in reality, it is what we are - at enmity with God. Whether you call this propensity "original sin" or just our natural tendency, we sin because we are sinners, not we are sinners because we sin.
Jesus had two natures, one human and one divine. As a human being, he would also be sinful based on the verse you cited. It's not like Christ or Mary were the first sinless beings. Adam and Eve were created sinless but chose to sin. Same goes with the angels. They were created sinless but some chose to rebel against God. Our belief is that just as the first Adam and Eve were created without sin, so were the New Adam and the New Eve.
It was the humanity of Jesus - without a sin nature because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit - as well as his Deity that he was NOT a sinner. The verses that state all mankind is under the curse of sin, doesn't apply to the God/Man. The only way Jesus could be our redeemer, is if he was without sin - NEVER having sinned, even once. His baptism by John was as a demonstration of the start of his ministry and the exhibition of the Holy Spirit and the Father recognizing Him before all the people there. It was a PUBLIC event. He did not need to be baptized in order to take away "original sin" nor to "get" the Holy Spirit. He WAS already God in the flesh.
There is a difference between a "sinless" person who has the free will to choose to sin such as Adam and Eve and those who came after them after the fall. The fall, the sin of Adam and Eve started the ball rolling and thereafter ALL mankind was under sin, born with the nature to sin. No one has to tempt us, we sin because we are sinners. By saying Christ and Mary are the "new" Adam and Eve, puts them both at the same level but Jesus is GOD, Mary will NEVER be God. Adam and Eve were equals. Jesus and Mary are not, she is the human, He is God.
There is no genuine need for Mary to be sinless. It did not affect the incarnation at all. The prophecy was the Messiah would be born of a virgin. He was. That Mary was of the House of David, passing the birthright to Jesus as well as his "Jewishness", that she be a virgin, are all the conditions placed upon the woman that would bear the Messiah. Nothing in the Old Testament makes any kind of prophecy that the mother of the savior had to be "sinless".
Have a good weekend!
We call our tendency to sin concupiscence. I'm sure you remember from your Catholic days that it's not the same thing as original sin.
we sin because we are sinners, not we are sinners because we sin.
I'm not so sure about that. Scripture is pretty clear that baptism removes sin. Acts 2:38 and 22:16 is what immediately comes to mind. If my sins were removed when I was born again in baptism, then did I not after that become a sinner because I sin?
It was the humanity of Jesus - without a sin nature because he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit - as well as his Deity that he was NOT a sinner. The verses that state all mankind is under the curse of sin, doesn't apply to the God/Man.
Sorry, but I don't see your logic. If Jesus was human then he had a possibility to sin if He chose to. Indeed scripture tells us he was tempted but didn't sin (Hb 4:15). And James (1:13) tells us God cannot be tempted, therefore we know it was the human nature not the deity of Christ that was tempted.
He did not need to be baptized in order to take away "original sin" nor to "get" the Holy Spirit. He WAS already God in the flesh.
Indeed.
By saying Christ and Mary are the "new" Adam and Eve, puts them both at the same level
How'd you work that out? Adam was created first, just as Jesus was before Mary. Eve was taken from Adam, just as Mary was created by God.
but Jesus is GOD, Mary will NEVER be God.
Indeed!
Adam and Eve were equals.
Scripture says Eve was created to be Adam's helper. 1 Cor 11:9 says she was created for his sake. And this was precisely the role Mary assumed. She bore and raised our Messiah. And loved him through his brutal crucifixion, which I see as her greatest act. I wouldn't have been able to be anywhere near!
There is no genuine need for Mary to be sinless.
Which is what I said in my first post on this thread. There are many things that aren't necessary that our Father in his goodness gives us. It's not necessary that we have color vision, but God gives us beauty instead of a black and white world. It's not necessary that we have tasty food and beverages. God could have given us only ingredients for a pasty mix for each meal. And nothing but water to drink. But God's gifts are more than we can ask or hope for. And such is his gift of the Immaculate Conception. Not necessary. Just more evidence of the overwhelming mercy and goodness of our God.
A blessed weekend to you too!