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To: Cronos; DaveMSmith; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...

Very good and thanks for the ping. The OP confuses the Holy Spirit having a Divine attribute with being the Father, but as said and shown, what the Scriptures plainly collectively show is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all persons, plural, each possessing uniquely Divine attributes (which is one proof of their Deity) yet acting in response to the other:

The Father sends the Son:

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. " (1 John 4:14)

The Son does the will of the Father:

"For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me. " (John 6:38)

The Father sends the Spirit in response to the prayer of the Son: "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; " (John 14:16)

The Father sends the Spirit: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. " (John 14:26)

The Spirit of truth says what Jesus gives Him: "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. " (John 16:13)

Smith: We pray to the Lord alone, not to the Father in the name of the Son for the Holy Spirit to come to us -- that's crazy talk.

That is ignorance or misconstruance of Scripture:

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him? " (Luke 11:13)

"And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. " (John 14:13-14)

Note here that as other verses state the Father is the one who does things, including sending the Spirit, yet He works through the Son (through whom all things were made: Jn. 1:1-3; Col. 2:16; Eph. 3:9; and Is. 44:24 states God did so by Himself, as being one God, and Job 33:4 states says “the Spirit of God hath made me”), and as the Father always hears the Son (Jn. 11:42) who always does His will, (Jn. 8:29) thus the Son can say that He will send the Spirit (Jn. 15:26) and will do anything that believers ask in His name (and He does, if prayer is not answered it was not truly in His name, which is not simply appending His name at the end of a petition, but consistent with His will and out of a right heart),

"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, " (Philippians 1:19)














65 posted on 12/18/2012 8:28:44 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Cronos; DaveMSmith; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice

What our borg-buddy gets confused it what is refered to as the economy of the Trinity, basically how the Persons of the Trinity relate internally and externally. The economy does not negate the fact of the Three in Oneness of God, it clarifies God.


69 posted on 12/18/2012 10:12:41 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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