Posted on 12/25/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by narses
You’re most welcome. Just doing my part to help clear the air of misconceptions about the Bible.
Prayers for the Dead, the Communion of the Saints and Purgatory are all issues that many great theologians have broken their teeth on.
But not mentioned was the other branches of the catholic church.
Wouldn’t that essentially negate your assertions against the Protestants, while essentially begging the question of why you are not mentioning the positions of the other catholic churches in the interest of full disclosure?
Years ago I was in a weekly Bible study group, 25 or so members, and probably 15 different translations and versions of Holy Writ. It became clear that at least some of the translations and deletions were done to make the Writ conform to the Sect. That struck me as cheating.
So?
Sorry, but I find arguments from authority to be exceedingly unsatisfactory. If you want to believe something just because some great theologian 500 years ago did, well, that’s your business.
Sorry, but I find arguments from authority to be exceedingly unsatisfactory.And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." (Mt 28:18-20)
If you want to believe something just because some great theologian 500 years ago did, well, that’s your business.As Augustine put it, 'I would not believe in the Gospels were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church' - but if you want to believe something different just because, well, that’s your business. Merry Christmas!
True...but neither you nor your religious organisation have Christ’s authority.
True...but neither you nor your religious organisation have Christ’s authority.
“if you have no divinely appointed authority, as the catholic church has?”
I don’t believe they do. Can you describe the divine intervention they have been provided?
True...but neither you nor your religious organisation have Christ’s authority.Really? Then who did the Apostles leave to govern the Church? No one?
Why, local church pastors to shepherd the local churchES, of course.
Question - is the Roman Catholic Bible the Septuagent (pre-Christ Greek translation by Jews) or is the later Masoretic text (post-Christ Hebrew consolidation by Jews)?
So Jesus’ death and resurrection was not enough? There needs to be additional money payments made?
Did you not realize Judas Maccabees lived over 150 years before Christ was born? This isn't Judas Iscariot.
“Why, local church pastors to shepherd the local churchES, of course.”
And who chose them?
“I don’t believe they do.”
Do you believe that Our Lord appointed the Apostles?
The 'Damasian List' is found in a spurious document called the 'Gelasian Decretal' which likely dates to somewhere around 600AD, and has no historical value whatsoever.
The Council of Jamnia nonsense has long been put to bed, and Graetz is long dead.
Stopped reading right there, as a document that relies upon such gibberish is hardly to be taken seriously.
There was no Jewish canon because there was no concept of canon. The Jewish 'Canon' was the Torah. The approved prophets were secondary, and the approved writings were tertiary... And the prophets and writings were in flux.
However, the Masoretic Texts, when they did become canonized, were thought to be a close representation of the Temple collection - And the Dead Sea Scrolls prove that out, being 65% proto-Masoretic in origin. Incidentally, the Alexandrian tradition (read: Septuagint) is reckoned in single digit percentages within the DSS collection, far below even the Babylonian tradition and the local writings of the Qumran community.
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Using Wikipedia as a source impedes your own arguments.
Stopped reading right there, as claims that rely on such irregular pseudo-scholarship can hardly be taken seriously.
“2. They could not have been written after the time of Ezra (around 400 BC);
3. They had to be written in Hebrew;”
Which is why the Septuagint included them?
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