Posted on 12/25/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by narses
We don’t need creeds; we have the word, and the Holy Spirit, and only those are trustworthy.So which version of the Bible has "the word, and the Holy Spirit,...", in your opinion, since you have clear differences with almost all of Christendom now and through the ages?
Apostolic succession is an unnecessary, and illogical fantasy. It is completely nicolaitan in its origin, being completely missing from the scriptures.
In thew OT there was a familial priestly succession, but Christ replaced the priesthood, and thereby abolished it, replacing it with the personal priesthood of each and every believer.
Apostolic succession is an unnecessary, and illogical fantasy.Really? And yet they appointed successors. Odd.
Try the New Testament. It may astonish you.
. The “Church” is a mystic body, whose members are indiscernable, thus not governable.
Certainly. I see that you still making that argument that it is right and good to make it all up as you go along. You may wish to reread St. Paul who especially pounds home the principle that Christianity is what the Apostles teach, not what any eunuch happens to wander by.
New International Version (NIV)
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
I guess it all boils down to how you translate Greek. We as Protestants choose to believe as does this commentator that we as believers are His Church.
The name Peter (Gk., Petros) means “rock” or “rock-man.” In the next phrase Christ used petra (upon this rock), a feminine form for “rock,” not a name. Christ used a play on words. He does not say “upon you, Peter” or “upon your successors,” but “upon this rock”—upon this divine revelation and profession of faith in Christ.
>> “So which version of the Bible has “the word, and the Holy Spirit” <<
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One only need look at which version the Lord chose to use to spread to the world to answer that question. The KJV, even with it’s weakness coming from the Greek texts that had been deliberately corrupted by nicolaitans, is the one that was used to produce most of the asian language Bibles that he is proliferating.
One only needs look around a bit to see what work the Lord is doing. Presently he is conquering the nicolaitan corruptions of all of the Greek MS by uncovering more and more of the Hebrew original versions of the gospels. In time, we may find them all.
Sure, but He did that. I but don’t believe they continued to appoint what is now the Cardinals and Pope, much less was that ever the His intention.
>> “ You may wish to reread St. Paul who especially pounds home the principle that Christianity is what the Apostles teach, not what any eunuch happens to wander by.” <<
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I agree fully on that, and eventually we may even be able to either affirm or correct what all of the gospels and epistles originally said in the Hebrew language that most of them were obviously written in.
See my #68. Same answer. I don’t believe they carried on nor had His blessing to carry on a tradition of Popes.
You cannot look up Christ’s church in any phone book; you have to seek it through prayer.I did that, and prayer led me to the Holy Roman Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted in 931 B.C. and 210 years later when Assyria conquered Israel in 721 B.C. Then it says in Tobit 14 that he was 112 when he died. Oops!
In Judith we find an error of who Nebuchadnezzar was King of.
Judith 1:1 While King Nebuchadnezzar was ruling over the Assyrians from his capital city of Nineveh,
Nebuchadnezzar didn’t rule over the Assyrians he was King over Babylonia.
2 Kings 24:1 While Jehoiakim was king, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah
Why would anyone rely on books with obvious errors? The Holy Spirit inspired books have never been shown to have errors.
The KJV, even with it’s weakness coming from the Greek texts that had been deliberately corrupted by nicolaitans, is the one that was used to produce most of the asian language Bibles that he is proliferating.So after more than 1,000 years the Paraclete came back to clean up the Church? And He did so with "weakness"? You are entitled to your opinion, but since your opinion appears to fly in the face of Holy Scripture and 2,000 years of Church teaching, you won't mind if I follow the Holy Spirit home to the Church Our Lord gave us? Rather than trying to follow you and your viewpoint, which if I chose to follow your views, I would be following a man, right?
Merry Christmas!
That's a mighty broad brush you wield...
So which version of the Bible has "the word, and the Holy Spirit [...]
so this isn't multiple choice then? I work out of a protestant KJV or MKJV generally... Primarily because the protestant books are the most accepted. But I am not limited by any canon, and have read all the apocryphal and pseudepigraphal (both OT and NT) books extensively.
“That’s a mighty broad brush you wield...”
Not at all. The sects that reject the creeds, celebration of Christmas and such are few and far between.
“Primarily because the protestant books are the most accepted.”
By protestants. Circular reasoning.
How long between, and how many times were the Hebrews torn down in order to return them to the truth?
And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." (Mt 28:18-20)
So are you saying that most of the last 2,000 years the Church has been in massive apostasy?
“Why, local church pastors to shepherd the local churchES, of course.”
And who chose them?
“Psalm 22 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.”
The passage in Wisdom builds upon Psalm 22 and may be derived from it as the writer of Wisdom would have been familiar with psalm 22. The trial, mocking and torture of jesus Christ were a fullfillment of prophecy from Psalm 22....not Wisdom!
“Certainly. I see that you still making that argument that it is right and good to make it all up as you go along.”
That does appear to be the basic answer - either Apostolic Succession, or whatever I think my prayers lead me to. Christmas is good, or it is pagan. Easter is good, or it is pagan. Venerating the Cross is pious or pagan, it all depends.
Merry Christmas my FRiend, May our Lord in His Mother’s arms this blessed Christmas guard and guide you and yours throught the ages.
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