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The Bible - 73 or 66 Books? (Ecumenical Thread)
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Posted on 12/25/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by narses

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To: narses
The sects that reject the creeds, celebration of Christmas and such are few and far between.

Only if one doesn't count the ones who died by the sword for not accepting them....

[roamer_1:] Primarily because the protestant books are the most accepted.

By protestants. Circular reasoning.

You missed my point. The books of the Protestant Bible are accepted by all as scripture, to include not only y'all, but the GO, the Copts, and even the Ethiopian Orthodox. They are certainly true scripture, without contention.

That is not to say specifically that they are the ONLY scripture, but rather, that they certainly ARE scripture.

81 posted on 12/25/2012 1:30:35 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: narses
So are you saying that most of the last 2,000 years the Church has been in massive apostasy?

Well, of course - That goes without saying. Who would believe that such a thing was of Yeshua? Hint: The people of Yeshua were supposed to be UNDER the sword, not holding one.

Coercion is not mentioned in the Armor of YHWH.

82 posted on 12/25/2012 1:37:07 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: narses

Very interesting. To me, Hebrews is the greatest book in the bible. It would have been a shame to have lost it.


83 posted on 12/25/2012 1:45:22 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: narses

Merry Christmas, Narses!


84 posted on 12/25/2012 1:49:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: narses

The Bible is a heavily altered,selective document. It is written to advance certain worldviews and exclude those that don’t agree with certain Establishment worldviews.


85 posted on 12/25/2012 2:10:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

But have you read it?


86 posted on 12/25/2012 2:14:08 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

Yes — have you?


87 posted on 12/25/2012 2:21:20 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; PJBankard; ...
TBP wrote:
The Bible is a heavily altered,selective document.

88 posted on 12/25/2012 2:29:30 PM PST by narses
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To: TBP

Just the Cliff Notes.


89 posted on 12/25/2012 2:29:31 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: TBP; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; PJBankard; ...
TBP wrote:
The Bible is a heavily altered,selective document.

90 posted on 12/25/2012 2:30:30 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

I’ve always wondered about this: If this (The Bible) is the Word of God, why are Bibles different from each other?


91 posted on 12/25/2012 2:31:20 PM PST by Monkey Face (Remember the Reason for the Season!)
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To: narses
As Augustine put it, 'I would not believe in the Gospels were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church' - but if you want to believe something different just because, well, that’s your business. Merry Christmas!

I don't know if I'd brag about that...I don't believe in any authority whatsoever in the Catholic religion but yet I believe in the Gospels and believe the Gospels...

92 posted on 12/25/2012 2:32:35 PM PST by Iscool
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To: narses; roamer_1

>> “So are you saying that most of the last 2,000 years the Church has been in massive apostasy?” <<

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That is the way it has been, and mostly will continue to be. Only his remnant will follow him and be saved; the masses of professing churchmen will continue to be lost as they have been since creation.

The narrow gate.

Why do you embrace the wide gate?


93 posted on 12/25/2012 2:48:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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>> “If this (The Bible) is the Word of God, why are Bibles different from each other?” <<

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By and large, that is simply not so. The versions differ in a word here and a word there, but those few small differences tend to be deliberate, and critical.


94 posted on 12/25/2012 2:52:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Yes, it does say that, but there is no recorded fruit from the “appointed” replacement, and he was quickly replaced by Paul as the 12th apostle.”

And the evidence for this in scripture?

“IN his “Letters to the seven churches” in Revelation.”

Then you should have no difficulty citing the passage.

“All of the apostles were appointed by Christ, in person.”

And you skipped over the part where Peter is given the authority to bind and loose?

“When they were gone, the Holy Spirit provided all of the guidance to the church through his pastors, and still does to this day.”

And scripture confirms this to be true?

“You cannot look up Christ’s church in any phone book; you have to seek it through prayer.’

So how do you explain Pentecost?


95 posted on 12/25/2012 3:00:37 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (q\\)
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To: editor-surveyor; Monkey Face
editor-surveyor wrote:
By and large, that is simply not so. The versions differ in a word here and a word there, but those few small differences tend to be deliberate, and critical.
Catholic Bibles have 73 books, 46 in the Old Testament, and 27 in the New Testament. Protestant Bibles have 66 books with only 39 in the Old Testament. The books missing from Protestant Bibles are: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. They are called the 'Deuterocanonicals' by Catholics and 'Apocrypha' by Protestants. Martin Luther, without any authority whatsoever, removed those seven books and placed them in an appendix during the reformation.

The reason for their removal was that Protestant beliefs could not be reconciled to Sacred Scripture and thus, the idea of Sola Scriptura would have utterly failed as a Protestant tenet. The 7 books remained in the appendix of Protestant Bibles until about 1826, and then they were removed altogether.

96 posted on 12/25/2012 3:01:35 PM PST by narses
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“Why do you embrace the wide gate?”

That is simply a falsehood, you are projecting your beliefs into my actions and trying to read my mind. No one who is Catholic considers the Faith “the wide gate”, it is carrying the Cross and following Our Lord, a truly heroic, in fact impossible absent His Grace task.

Why are you assuming your prayers led you to a path superior to the one mine led me?


97 posted on 12/25/2012 3:06:12 PM PST by narses
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To: editor-surveyor; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; ...

“Why do you embrace the wide gate?”

That is simply a falsehood, you are projecting your beliefs into my actions and trying to read my mind. No one who is Catholic considers the Faith “the wide gate”, it is carrying the Cross and following Our Lord, a truly heroic, in fact impossible absent His Grace task.

Why are you assuming your prayers led you to a path superior to the one mine led me?


98 posted on 12/25/2012 3:06:32 PM PST by narses
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To: editor-surveyor; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; ...

“Why do you embrace the wide gate?”

That is simply a falsehood, you are projecting your beliefs into my actions and trying to read my mind. No one who is Catholic considers the Faith “the wide gate”, it is carrying the Cross and following Our Lord, a truly heroic, in fact impossible absent His Grace task.

Why are you assuming your prayers led you to a path superior to the one mine led me?


99 posted on 12/25/2012 3:07:35 PM PST by narses
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And Merry Christmas to you and your family Mrs. Don-o!

O dearest Saint Joseph,
I consecrate myself to your honour
and give myself to you,
that you may always be my father,
my protector and my guide
in the way of salvation.
Obtain for me a greater purity of heart
and fervent love of the interior life.
After your example may I do all my actions
for the greater glory of God,
in union with the Divine Heart of Jesus
and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
O Blessed Saint Joseph,
pray for me,
that I may share in the peace
and joy of your holy death.

Amen.


100 posted on 12/25/2012 3:09:07 PM PST by narses
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