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Website Helps Dutch Catholics "De-Baptize" Over Gay Marriage
Reuters ^ | 12/27/12 | Sara Webb

Posted on 12/28/2012 11:34:34 AM PST by marshmallow

(Reuters) - Thousands of Dutch Catholics are researching how they can leave the church in protest at its opposition to gay marriage, according to the creator of a website aimed at helping them find the information.

Tom Roes, whose website allows people to download the documents needed to leave the church, said traffic on ontdopen.nl - "de-baptise.nl" - had soared from about 10 visits a day to more than 10,000 after Pope Benedict's latest denunciation of gay marriage this month.

"Of course it's not possible to be 'de-baptized' because a baptism is an event, but this way people can unsubscribe or de-register themselves as Catholics," Roes told Reuters.

He said he did not know how many visitors to the site actually go ahead and leave the church.

About 28 percent of the population in the Netherlands is Catholic and 18 percent is Protestant, while a much larger proportion - roughly 44 percent - is not religious, according to official statistics.

The country is famous for its liberal attitudes, for example to drugs and prostitution, and in April 2001 it was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 12/28/2012 11:34:37 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Trying to figure out exactly whom this hurts...


2 posted on 12/28/2012 11:40:36 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: marshmallow

Netherlands...Netherworld....same difference


3 posted on 12/28/2012 11:40:46 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow

Netherlands...Netherworld....same difference


4 posted on 12/28/2012 11:41:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow

Netherlands...Netherworld....same difference


5 posted on 12/28/2012 11:41:40 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow

Ummm....couldn’t the act of “un-baptizing” be described as committing one’s soul to Satan?


6 posted on 12/28/2012 11:42:23 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Liberals are a wrecking crew dismantling civilization by replacing what works with what feels good.)
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To: marshmallow
Thousands of Dutch Catholics Cafeteria Catholic poseurs are researching how they can leave the church in protest at its opposition to gay marriage . . .

Fixed it.

The Apostle John saw these fakers coming: They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

7 posted on 12/28/2012 11:44:54 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: marshmallow

“Thousands of Dutch Catholics are researching how they can leave the church in protest at its opposition to gay marriage”

Uh, how about just not showing up anymore?

Anything else is just them acting like little drama queens looking to get attention.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 11:45:16 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: marshmallow
You can renounce your baptism, but you cannot “unbaptize” yourself. Those people that wish to “unbaptize” themselves have already made their baptisms void of benefit. It is the contempt of baptism that damns. The sad fact is that among the “Christian” nations of Europe God is dead. Nietzsche observed this over a century ago. Europeans, as a whole, live their lives in complete indifference to God.
9 posted on 12/28/2012 11:50:08 AM PST by Nemoque
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To: marshmallow
There is a reason why the Dutch are called "Swamp Germans"

They also couldn't hand over their Jews fast enough in the Second World War.

10 posted on 12/28/2012 11:53:38 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: marshmallow
Baptism is not a hot iron brand that is eternal or something ... it's a decision to follow Jesus as HE was baptized.

Y'don't de-baptise ... y'jes' LEAVE and go somewhere else.

What is your theology?

Go find it in like minded people.


God did not write your name in the Catholic book that needs a court decision to expunge.

You're born again ... or you ain't.

11 posted on 12/28/2012 12:00:45 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: marshmallow

This is basically denying the Laws of Nature (Reason)——where the only method of “Reason” exists in reality. If you throw out the obvious teleological Nature of Man (provable)-—you throw out all intellectual knowledge—Reasoning.

Here they think it is rational to desire to sodomize other human beings-—yet they think the Rational thinking of Christianity—which is the most rational of all faiths, including atheism—proven over thousands of years——and creates one of the only scenarios where you can have civility and Justice in communities (love of neighbor, as yourself)......

and they throw it all out for the Marxist Big Lie-—which is Satanic/occultist belief in the idea that there is no God-—no design in Nature-—they can be “gods” and decide Good and Evil. They are deciding to be Luciferians-—and believe that defiling the human body in evil, dehumanizing ways is a “right” and “good”.

These people are subhuman—they can not use their intellect and reason.


12 posted on 12/28/2012 12:04:03 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: marshmallow

Methinks the church doesn’t want these folks anyway.

Plus, were I the church, I’d think seriously about excommunicating any fool who actually reads a Reuter’s article and believes it.

MSM - you are sooooo dying.

And I’m lovin’ each and every moment of it.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 12:05:38 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Regardless of their baptismal status these people are not Catholic. They are just publicly declaring what God already knows. Good for them at least they are being honest.

I sincerely wish that more American “catholics” would do the same, however there is a desire to deceive afoot ( what else is new) for those who do not follow catholic doctrine to re-define for Americans what it means to be catholic. Example Pelosi and Biden would have you believe that you can be a pro-abortion, pro sodomy rarely church going Catholic in good standing. We need more priests and bishops in this country ready to take such lies and the people that believe them out to the woodshed (end rant)


14 posted on 12/28/2012 12:16:49 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: marshmallow

All they have to do is walk out the door and not come back. Be careful, don’t let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

People who would leave the Church because of faggots and perverts weren’t worth having in the first place.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 12:22:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: savagesusie

Good Post.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 12:25:46 PM PST by Venturer
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To: longfellowsmuse

The Church has rules(commandments) If you don’t want to obey them hit the road jack.

The Church loses nothing,it is the sinner that loses.

If the Catholic Curch died to the point of only having one Church every hundred miles it would be better off than catering to these cafetaria Catholic apostates.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 12:29:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

Looks like Reuter’s Sara Webb is doing a smelly hit piece on Catholics. In any event this is from Reuters and you could say she’s probab;y is one of the great unwashed. Catholics should pray for her from a distance.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 12:36:35 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: marshmallow

For the statistically minded...

In 2012, the CDC completed the largest and most carefully designed population study ever done of gay American men.

(1) Men who have had sex with another man even once in their lives - 7%

(2) Man on man sex in last 5 years - 4%

(3) Man on man sex in last 12 months - 3%


19 posted on 12/28/2012 12:54:30 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: massgopguy; marshmallow; jagusafr; Bloody Sam Roberts; rhema
I applaud the forthright consistency of people who express their rejection of Christian morality by exiting the Catholic church. Don't go on tapping your fingers, signing manifestoes, blowing smoke rings, and drawing a pension like Hans Kung.

Go. Just go.

20 posted on 12/28/2012 1:17:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Ik wil niet te twisten met u, naar buiten, om Gods wil, uit te gaan!)
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To: longfellowsmuse; Da Coyote
They will soon, by their own efforts, achieve the extinction they so richly deserve.

Inshallah!

21 posted on 12/28/2012 1:20:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Ik wil niet te twisten met u, naar buiten, om Gods wil, uit te gaan!)
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To: jagusafr

Chapter 10 of Hebrews tells us who it hurts:

29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


22 posted on 12/28/2012 1:25:54 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: marshmallow

These people don’t realize what awaits them. Sad that so much of their life focuses around genitalia.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 1:30:03 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: massgopguy

“There are two things I just can’t stand...people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch!”


24 posted on 12/28/2012 1:42:30 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Bryanw92

My point exactly: they’re not hurting the church, they’re just hurting themselves.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 1:48:24 PM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Da Coyote
Methinks the church doesn’t want these folks anyway.

Something tells me they are not real big on tithing.

26 posted on 12/28/2012 1:57:24 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: marshmallow

Not necessary to leave the “Church”.
Once you turn your back on the Word of God to side with the sin of the perverts you can consider yourself already gone.............


27 posted on 12/28/2012 2:01:42 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: marshmallow

I suppose that if you can fabricate “gay marriage”, you can concoct “de-baptisms”.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 2:07:26 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: marshmallow

Quite unnecessary. They will all go to hell whether they “unBaptize” or not.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 3:06:04 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: marshmallow

There’s an element of judgment inherent in baptism. One is taken through the sea, as it were — through a symbolic judgment ordeal. Just as it is better not to partake of the Lord’s Supper if one would profane it, so too, probably, with baptism.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 4:23:19 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: marshmallow

It might actually serve the church well for it to have a ritual of resignation. It could have several versions.

For those who leave the church but still respect it, there would be a means to turn in artifacts and icons, so that they would be treated with respect instead of thrown away or sold.

For those in contention with the church, they could be presented a document attesting that they are no longer Catholic, in case they are registered as such in other organizations. Likewise there would be a “records purge”, so they would no longer receive mailings or other communication from the church.

For those who now hate the church, a convenient way for them to leave online. And if they want, they can have a “no longer Catholic” letter mailed to them.


31 posted on 12/28/2012 4:30:46 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: marshmallow

In a way, I have more respect for these lapsed Roman Catholics than for “Christians” who try to twist the Bible to say it supports things like homosexual behavior and abortion when it clearly does not.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 5:28:59 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

As a point of information, the main Protestant denomination in the Netherlands, the mostly-Calvinist-but-a-little-bit-Lutheran PKN, permits individual congregations to decide whether to “bless” homosexual “unions”.


33 posted on 12/28/2012 6:23:25 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Once a person is baptized,that mark put on their soul by Gof, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, cannot be undone. People can’t undo God’s doing.

The three Sacraments leaving this “forever” mark on a person’s soul are Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 6:43:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

What about someone who leaves Christianity for Judaism? Wouldn’t that “un-do” a baptism?

I’m not trying to be a smarty-pants. What would the view on that be,at least from a Catholic perspective?


35 posted on 12/28/2012 7:05:46 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

I think they would still be baptized. The Jewish faith had a baptism of repentance. I don’t see that the Catholic Baptism conflicts with that — in fact, I believe it goes farther than just repentance.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 7:33:52 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I was brought up in the Lutheran church but I was curious as to what the Catholic Church had to say.

Like Zionist Conspirator I’m a Noahide (I “converted” to Judaism through the Reform movement which is so far from being Jewish).

The Liberal attitudes at my synagogue make me want to scream and/or vomit.


37 posted on 12/28/2012 7:43:51 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
So Catholics aren't the only denomination with liberals, huh? Check this:



38 posted on 12/28/2012 8:38:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“Once a person is baptized,that mark put on their soul by Gof, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, cannot be undone. People can’t undo God’s doing.”

Does Roman Catholicism view all Trinitarian baptisms(whether they be Protestant, Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox) this way or only ones performed by priests in the Roman Catholic Church?


39 posted on 12/28/2012 8:59:31 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

oops

God, Father.....

I am not an expert in this field, but I believe that most Trinitarian baptisms are accepted by the Catholic Church. Not just by the Latin (you say Roman) Church.


40 posted on 12/28/2012 9:10:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thanks. I’m Presbyterian(conservative, Bible believing PCA variety) and my church accepts all triune baptisms done by immersion, sprinkling or pouring in the name of the Triune God whether they were done by Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox clergymen.


41 posted on 12/28/2012 9:21:32 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Salvation

The Lutheran church my grandparents belong to is far from Liberal. It’s the LCMS and abortion and homosexuality are not accepted.

I’m disgusted with the Lib attitudes of the synagogue I’ve been going to. Noahides can pray in a synagogue but certain prayers are omitted.

When I went to a Passover service a few years ago they put an orange on the seder plate,as a symbol of acceptance of the queers. Then another year there was a Miriam’s seder,which was a celebration of all things Liberal. God was referred to as a female. Apparently it is sexist to refer to Him as a male which never bothered me at all. Jeez,Louise. The prayers were something like “Blessed are you oh,Lord our God,Queen of the universe.” I was disgusted and shocked.

Some of the congregants are atheists which doesn’t surprise me at all.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 9:32:00 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

I think you need to find a new synagogue or church.


43 posted on 12/28/2012 9:39:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I won’t go to church.I might check out another synagogue. The only problem is that the Orthodox congregations are an hour away.


44 posted on 12/28/2012 11:21:06 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Salvation

I won’t go to church.I might check out another synagogue. The only problem is that the Orthodox congregations are an hour away.

Noahides,like Jews, will not and cannot pray in a church.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 11:22:08 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: ReformationFan
the thing is because Catholic say "you hold to the truth or leave, you can't go forming Catholic church - the new h version" which is why this "de-baptism" is happening

But the same enemy is attacking Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and others -- the "free sex for all" group

46 posted on 12/29/2012 2:12:52 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ReformationFan

once you are baptised as deemed by Christ in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you have the mark of God. That can’t be undone. Doesn’t matter if a priest, pastor, layman even a non-religious person does it.


47 posted on 12/29/2012 2:14:42 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: marshmallow

What’s the matter?

They can’t just stop going to church like others have done before?

This smacks more of drama-queen-ism than of simple rejection of a particular religion. But then it is the “gay” thing, isn’t it?


48 posted on 12/29/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by Salman
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To: knarf

Baptism is a seal on the soul. but the person is free to reject the grace of God. In Hell is burns like that branding iron you speak of. For those who accept his grace, it is cool waters over a feverished brow.


49 posted on 12/29/2012 8:24:32 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ReformationFan
I was looking up the demographics of the Netherlands. It is horrible -- 51% are non-believers!

It is no longer a Christian country. This one stronghold of Calvinism now has only 15% "Protestants" and 24% Catholics -- and those are just those who say they are members, the real numbers of both are less. The Evangelical Church of the Netherlands embraces religious pluralism officially.

What happened to the Dutch?

50 posted on 01/01/2013 9:26:32 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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