11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[RobbyS]

Priests are not keeping anyone out of heaven. True contrition is required for absolution. Even if the penitent is wrongly denied absolution by the priest, the penitent can appeal to heaven.

[Elsie]

Only after Luther and the other "reformers decided to make up their own denominations did Christians call themselves protestants.

It's amazing how you rabid catholics can just IGNORE the excesses and abuses of your chosen religion that CAUSED the Reformation!

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Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[yldstrk]

uh look, the HISTORICAL PROOF IS THAT PETER WENT TO ROME.

[RobbyS]

It is more like putting oneself in danger of death.

[Elsie]

Christ protects the church from error in matters of faith and morals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

[RobbyS]

You mean you think there were no Jews in Rome? There had been a large colony there for several generations.

[RobbyS]

Like family members squabbling over who gets to set where at table, all because of long ago slights.

[Elsie]

What Bible...WHERE??

You are responding to #186.

How could you POSSIBLY miss #180; where it was SHOWN?

[Iscool]

**St. Peter’s residence and death in Rome are established beyond contention as historical facts by a series of distinct testimonies extending from the end of the first to the end of the second centuries, and issuing from several lands**

God's words in the scriptures say that your Catholic history is wrong...No matter, eh???

[Elsie]

The popes have had their share of bad people.

So much for the weeding out process.

[Elsie]

He was wrong in his behavior.

Duh!

[Elsie]

Paul commended the Bereans for “checking the scriptures daily to see if these things be true”.

While...

Rome commends it's followers for “checking the traditions daily to see if these things be acceptable”.

[Iscool]

If you believe 'sola scriptura" then you can't handle the assumption. Christ protects the church from error in matters of faith and morals. "What you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven". The members of the early church taught that Mary had been assumed, and had every reason to believe that it happened. I am certain that if you research on Google or wherever else, you will be able to find the documentation that the church used in reaching their conclusion. The church also teaches the immaculate conception, meaning that Mary was born without original sin....another one for you to ponder.

Nothing to ponder...None of it is true...

Isn't it kind of sacrilegious to say or write church without using your capital C (Church)???

There is no history of the earliest church fathers in support of anything you posted...In fact, the fantasy grew hair as it aged...Seems each generation of Catholics embellished the stories as time went on...

[Elsie]

I think you miss the significance of the location of where this all took place,

Well; since this info WASN'T recorded here; I guess the 'significance' of it is lost on me.

[CynicalBear]

>> You mean you think there were no Jews in Rome?<<

What difference does that make? Peter “stayed in Jerusalem”. No where in scripture does Peter teach in Rome, write to the Romans or spend time in Rome. Even Paul went to Jerusalem to see Peter, not to Rome.

Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

When Paul writes to the Romans and mentions several names there no mention is made of Peter.

[Elsie]

Even if the penitent is wrongly denied absolution by the priest, the penitent can appeal to heaven.

Oh?

HOW??

Through a 'saint' or 'Mary'???

Because I doubt if they feel they can actually talk to 'heaven' on their own; being Catholic and all.

[winodog]

Are you sure about that?
I believe the Lord raised up many leaders and the devil got busy right away.

It would be too easy for the devil to sway a single sinful man.

[Elsie]

HUH?

I’m alive - I’m in danger of death at every moment.

[CynicalBear]

LOL From heresay? Not from scripture. Paul was the apostle who wrote to and spent time in Rome.

[NYer]

Eusebius of Caesarea (Eusebius Caesariensis, ca 260-ca 340), in his "Historia Ecclesiastica", while naming some of the Seventy Disciples of Jesus, says:

"... and the history by Clement (of Alexandria, c.150 - c. 215), in the fifth (chapter) of Hypotyposeis; in which Cefas, the one mentioned by Paul (in the citation): «when Cefas came to Antioch, I confronted him face to face» (Galatians 2:11), it is said he was one of the Seventy Disciples, having the same name with Peter the Apostle". [^ (ἡ δ᾿ ἱστορία παρὰ Κλήμεντι κατὰ τὴν πέμπτην τῶν Ὑποτυπώσεων· ἐν ᾗ καὶ Κηφᾶν, περὶ οὗ φησιν ὁ Παῦλος· «ὅτε δὲ ἦλθεν Κηφᾶς εἰς Ἀντιόχειαν, κατὰ πρόσωπον αὐτῷ ἀντέστην», ἕνα φησὶ γεγονέναι τῶν ἑβδομήκοντα μαθητῶν, ὁμώνυμον Πέτρῳ τυγχάνοντα τῷ ἀποστόλῳ.)]