‘Accepting Evangelicals’ – the new ‘evangelicals’ who back same sex marriage

lsn ^ | 1.16.2013 | Peter Saunders

[Brookhaven]

I’ve been arguing with libs on Huffingtonpost

You might be better off taking the same approach Paul did in his day.

And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. But when Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul began devoting himself completely to the word, solemnly testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Christ. But when they resisted and blasphemed, he shook out his garments and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.” acts 18:4-7

The Jews in this case were people that were not open to hearing the truth or engaging in logical arguments. They had a position, and simply interpreting any scripture in a way that would support their argument (much as your friends at the HuffPo are doing). Paul's response was to wash his hands of them and move on to someone else who was open minded (and make no mistake, your friends at the HuffPo have closed minds when it comes to the truth).

We as Christians are only responsible to present the truth. We're not responsible to convince someone of the truth. They are responsible for accepting or rejecting the truth that has been presented to them.

Sometimes the best you can do is present the truth and pray God will open their eyes.

[left that other site]

Amen.

[Salvation]

God is allowed, front and center, in the Catholic Church.

Liturgy of the Word
Liturgy of the Eucharist

that make up the Mass.

[Salvation]

**A true Evangelical will NOT except what is NOT in the BIBLE.**

But will they ACCEPT it?

[ansel12]

The left and the libertarians have the voting block of the Evangelicals standing in the way of their total victory over Christian opposition.

[Morgana]

I try to tell the protestants that.

In one ear...

[ReformationFan]

Just point them to these words of Christ-

‘“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.’

Matthew 5:17-19

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:17-19&version=NKJV

Also, the words of Christ from this passage-

‘And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%20Mark%207:20-23&version=NKJV

The word fornications is translated from the Greek word porneia which means:

1)illicit sexual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

2) metaph. the worship of idols

a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4202&t=KJV

[Cronos]

oh, the huffpo loons are no friends of mine. I just felt a few months ago that we conservatives discussing abortion on FR is not enough — we need to take the war to the enemy

[ReformationFan]

“It claims to have over 540 members of whom 82% are open members whose names are listed on the site. Other members have opted to remain ‘confidential’ because they ‘are concerned that their public support would put them at risk of prejudice or discrimination‘. “

Or of not getting tithing donations from folks who (SHOCK! GASP!) that the Holy Bible actually means what it says it means.

“Amongst the ‘open members’ are Benny Hazlehurst (pictured), who acts as secretary to the group, former Eden Baptist minister Roy Clements, ‘Courage’ founder Jeremy Marks, Ekklesia co-director Simon Barrow, ‘post-evangelical’ Dave Tomlinson and Oasis Trust founder Steve Chalke.”

I can honestly say I have no memory of ever hearing of anyone of them. That’s why I stick to the likes of R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Douglas Wilson and John Piper. Unless the preacher proudly and openly declares and preaches his belief in the inerrancy of the Bible in its original manuscripts, I do not have time for his preaching. This life is just too short.

[MeOnTheBeach]

Ok, can someone answer me this then:

Evangelicals teach that all you have to do to be “saved” is to believe in Jesus. Works don’t mean anything.

So, to the Evangelicals, why does being gay matter at all since you teach it’s just all about believing?? If these people “believe”, what’s the issue?

I could see this being an issue to religions that teach that works make a difference.

[Morgana]

You got me, me.

Got tired of arguing with them years ago

[MeOnTheBeach]

And sexual perversions like homosexuality are totally incompatible with Christianity or orthodox Judaism.

This by far understates the issue. Homosexuality is incompatible with humanity.

I'm talking about homosexual activity, not how someone labels themselves. Homosexual activity is just a sign of a greater ill in society.

Homosexuality at it's base is selfish and a weakness. There's a whole list of attributes that go with this behavior.

I do not believe God destroyed Sodom because He lost His temper. But because like a cancer that behavior ate away at that city till there was no chance anyone would come back. Therefore to save future generations from that fate, He destroyed Sodom.

What you're seeing is a sign of the times. The whole world is going down that path. And once it gets there, it will be lost.

[Former Fetus]

all you have to do to be “saved” is to believe in Jesus

Question: what do you understand that "believing in Jesus" means? Remember, the demons believe in God and tremble (James 2:19) but they most certainly are NOT saved. A person can believe many things about Jesus, that He existed, was a great preacher, was crucified by the Romans... and none of those things will save that person. On the other hand, when someone believes that Jesus is the Son of God, died for all sins, rose again and is coming back... that is saving belief. And that belief is incompatible with a homosexual lifestyle. If someone really believes, that person has become a new person, and will not live a sinful lifestyle. He or she may sin, but will not dwell in that sin. The idea of a believer living a gay lifestyle makes as much sense as claiming that turning on a light does not eliminate the darkness. It just doesn't happen!

[ReformationFan]

I think(especially since the time of Charles Finney) an “easy-believism” has infiltrated evangelical circles, resulting in(among other things), groups like the topic of this thread.

Many have forgotten these words of Martin Luther: “We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone”.

You might like this video by Reformed Baptist pastor Paul Washer-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hd3pV2VxU