Posted on 02/01/2013 3:15:04 PM PST by daniel1212
Chiapas: Expelled Christians Living in Barn
February 2013 issue, page 9
We arent delinquents; were people who love God and respect society.
A leader of a Christian group of 27 families in Altamirano, Chiapas, Mexico were expelled from their community just for being evangelicals, according to a recent report in a Chiapas newspaper. And now the families, which include about 40 children, are living in a cattle barn because they have nowhere else to go.
VOM has been providing basic needs to expelled Christians like these through a dedicated pastor who volunteers his time to help. Last year, we provided the Christians living in the cattle barn with mattresses and food. Although the 27 families are sleeping on mattresses on the ground and storing their belongings in a cattle trough, they have an eternal perspective. They chose to give up their temporal homes rather than compromise their faith in the God who will shelter them in his heavenly home for all eternity.
Well just send the FR Religion Mods down there.
But in reality, until all bow the knee to King Jesus out of a broken heart and contrite spirit as damned+destitute sinners and be truly born again by repentant faith directly in Him ("nothing in my hands i bring; simply to thy cross i cling), then there will such persecution .
"But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. " (Galatians 4:29)
I thank you for the concern about Roman Catholics not follwing church teachings to the letter, but dismissing the hypocrisy your side shows about the Church regarding native populations as "imagination" is not an honest basis for a debate.
By defining me as being of some class who portray the Aztecs and Mayans as "peaceful and benevolent souls" conquered by the Conquistadors, shows that you really had no argument with me, unless you leave off the hyperbole and favor of a more objective view.
Rather than than some unreferenced Protestants whose protests fit your description, perhaps it would be more fitting for you to target Catholics such as Dominican friar Bartolomé de Las Casas (in the process of beatification), the first resident Bishop of Chiapas, famous for his A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies.
While there can be debate as to what is a balanced view, your portrayal diverts the attention away from how "peaceful and benevolent" church teachings could be considered to be in regards to dealing with opposition, and the submission required to them during the times they are in force.
And which, as pointed out, Protestants also had to unlearn the use of the sword of men to deal with theological dissent, in contrast to the N.T. church as seen in Scripture.
Not defining "you" as an individual sole holder of the views I am criticizing, which is why I said the more general "you people" - who attempt to pivot any argument to another focus. The Catholic Church is roundly crticized for whiping out native American cultures, but then is criticized again from the Protestants when they don't enforce good Catholic doctrine on them today. It's a no win situation. I'd rather have someone accept Jesus with a somewhat warped view than not have heard of Him at all. I think Jesus is smart enough to sort out the difference and intentions.
Lastly (and off topic) I get increasingly disgusted when people argue about who has the better Jesus when our society is becoming more degenerate every day.
I am sorry but i think this also is exaggeration, as i do not see the Prots. as asking for such enforcement in the second case as she is criticized for doing in the first case.
What was being criticized in the post that you responded to was the lack of denouncing of these Catholics, but which criticism some here did express and which exists on a local local.
However, the criticism you protest against is valid, as in the first case the practices and doctrine behind it was wrong, insomuch as it is true, and in the second case there little to no effective discipline of those whom disobey valid teaching, and which the traditional RCs here claim have excommunicated themselves, and instead they are typically treated quite the opposite.
Moreover the context of such criticism is that of responses to a constant promotion or advertizing of the Catholic church as the one true church and supreme judge, to whom all are to submit, and thus such challenges to that should be expected.
I'd rather have someone accept Jesus with a somewhat warped view than not have heard of Him at all.
I concur, as long as they truly accept the Lord Jesus of Scripture, despite not knowing a lot, as this does not require much of the head but a broken heart and contrite spirit and simple faith in the risen Lord Jesus to save them by His blood. Which institutionalized religion works against, Catholic as well as Protestant to some degree.
Lastly (and off topic) I get increasingly disgusted when people argue about who has the better Jesus when our society is becoming more degenerate every day.
Then you had best censor your fellow RC apologists the most, as it is they who engage in the most sectarian promotion of a particular church, and effective preach a different Jesus, with some making arguments that restrict salvation to Catholics and only Protestants who convert to Catholicism.
And who attack conservative evangelicals more than liberal Prots or their own liberal brethren, as the former are a threat to their church which they must defend, despite overall testifying to a stronger faith in Jesus.
You are still (intentionally IMO) missing the point. If you don't see it, perhaps change the lens.
You are still missing the point. If you don’t see it, perhaps change the lens.
The majority no, as they are liberal, but neither will the majority of liberal Prots, and as in the case with Pastor Richard Wurmbrand (http://torturedforchrist.com/) , there will some Catholics in detention with conservative evangelicals, like as there want to place both today under mandated "sensitivity training."
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